But that design is also a great example how we just started adding plastic to pretty much everything for 1.2% more comfort. That old design was always ok, it never really needed the plastic lid in the first place.
@bastianallgeier@miles_leif
Apparently the resource impact from driving glass bottles back and forth is comparable to the manufacturing of there plastic and metal foil containers.
And in the end a lot of plastic can just be burned for heat. If one would have burned the oil for heat, the plastic was virtually free. With heat pumps and solar/wind that argument is moot, though.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but "tetra packs" (eg. those small juice boxes; tomato pyree) have aluminium, but those one litre cartons (eg. for milk, juice) do not.
@bastianallgeier The #usability#UX people recommended that? "Twist and open instead of reaching out for a scissor" OR "You're picnicking and you forgot your knife or scissor".
@bastianallgeier Fun fact: my mom (in her 80s) never uses all these plastic opening-things, she always cuts them open like she did for most of here life 😅
@grb090423@gillyberlin@bastianallgeier
And then there's the infuriating infantillisation of securing the lid to a ring so as not to lose it... Resulting in it spilling onto whatever you're pouring into... 😓
@bastianallgeier I mean, of course they market is as if it's their awesome new idea.
But still, they are technically admitting that a plastic spout was a bad idea and they are going back to the old design. That's pretty awesome if you ask me.
Ich warte immer noch auf die standardisierte Universalmehrwegglasflasche, die man überall zurückgeben kann. Mit bayerischem Bier ist das in D zumindest schon fast Realität.
@bastianallgeier after all the painful ridges on the plastic tops, I’d prefer this. I can think of two bottles I’ve used recently with wider and wider-spaced ridges. My mum often can’t twist any of them, they’re too tight, and I need to cover them with fabric to grip without pain.
@bastianallgeier The worst part about drink cartons is actually not the plastic cap, but it is that the entire carton is coated with plastic on the inside making the entire paper carton not recyclable.
If they really wanted to reduce waste they would put these drinks in glass bottles again.
@dalias@bastianallgeier Are the screw tops much of an improvement, accessibility-wise? Boxes are one thing (eg, shelf-stable milk), but on cartons like that where it's a twisting motion on such a small thing, at an angle combined with the roof of the carton getting in the way.. Feels like a toss-up.
@bastianallgeier
Ich wundere mich warum hier so viel über das "Aufschneiden" der alten Packungen geschrieben wird. Ich hab nie ne Schere dafür benutzt, ging viel einfacher:
Daumen seitlich unter die Lasche schieben, leicht drücken und aufziehen. Luftdicht verschliessen durch Druck auf den Deckel. Hab mich immer drüber geärgert, dass das mit den Plastiknupsis nicht mehr ging.
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ieget... 🤢
Raumens Ravensburg hatten wir mal ne Bauer der Vollmilch in ne Flasche aus Glas benutzt hat.
Mir han's naher gewaschen, dann wieder benutzt.
@bastianallgeier ah yes, the classic “impossible to open” style of container. Shame they couldn’t improve it this time.
Don’t get me wrong, less plastic is good! I’d just rather we also move to useable solutions.
@patrick_h_lauke@bastianallgeier Are you suggesting that using sophisticated JS frameworks to generate “static, server-side-rendered HTML with progressively rehydrated islands” is nothing more but PHP and a bit of jQuery?!? 😁
@bastianallgeier When are we going to go back to having a milkman? Electric vehicle, glass bottles that are returned and reused, groceries delivered to your door each morning...
Who thought going to a supermarket to buy plastic bottles would be better?
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