Not attempting to get #Religious by using this line “"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" Some of you have this self-righteous view of #Mastodon as if it’s perfect and never caused harm. You state as if there are not moderation issues amongst 30k plus servers. It’s odd for you to call out #Bluesky which is just a year old regarding moderation yet it hasn’t had anywhere near the reputation and moderation issues that Mastodon has. How does that make sense?
I’m also tired of seeing Jack Dorsey brought up. When most of you came from #Twitter once Musk purchased it. Dorsey wasn’t so bad that you used his product for years. He is not the CEO of #Bluesky is 1/3 of the board. He uses #Nostr and Twitter more than he ever used bsky which he’s long since deleted his account. Some of you mentioned #bridgyfed being a harm to minorities and trans persons. #Fedi is way more harmful and there’s insane amounts of trans people on bsky many of whom would never use Mastodon btw
"#Mastodon is the most established decentralised #socialweb app to date. For anti-establishment Mastodonians, Dorsey’s involvement was strike one. Strike two came when #Bluesky decided to create its own protocol instead of using an existing one, like #ActivityPub. Now, the debate over #BridgyFed is something like a foul tip ahead of strike three."
A great breakdown of Bridgy Fed and the whole situation. I personally am excited for the project, as there are people I want to follow on #Bluesky and I also want them to be able to follow me, without me having to manage two accounts.
I hope you don't let people harrass you @snarfed.org@snarfed.org You're doing some really interesting work! (You also seem to be taking vitriol and feedback very well!) Good luck!
Apparently the #bridgyfed debate has moved on from the opt in or out debate (cause it's obvious the #fediverse is opt-out) to how this threatens the culture here. I agree, it does.
Do we want the culture here to be one which says you can't admin a server if you like Harry Potter? That you should be hounded if you don't tag or hide images properly? Where hosting nice but conservative accounts can get your server defederated?
We're finally getting to the crux of the issues here...
I mean I just told people in that #GitHub thread to stop with the threats of suing/litigating against the #bridgyfed developer and the #FLOSS/#FOSS project and I got instantly dunked on. The initiator of the issue got dramatic, despite them not really giving out legal threats to the dev (like why did you feel hurt by that generalistic statement? :SanaeConfuzzled:) I guess it's easy for the #fediverse to just not care how such a litigious attitude can be damaging. I mean, who would want to work in such an environment knowing that people around you want you jailed? :reimu_sigh:
We're fucking lucky that the developer gave us a heads up, an approximate timeframe (where the launch is at least a month away), and was mature in their responses. And even more lucky that despite all those legal threats and mudslinging the dev still continued engaging respectfully with the criticisms and offered an opt-in method that people I knew were vocal against the bridge's opt-out, accepted. Seriously, @snarfed.org@fed.brid.gy deserves some credit for keeping up a cool head and rest from all of that mess.
Yet most of those vocal detractors couldn't just resist acting like immature people throwing out #GDPR and comparing the dev to rapists in an effort to scare them out of fedi. One of the #ActivityPub authors/founders even had to show up in the thread to clarify how those detractors got their understanding of how the fediverse works wrong. :ablobcateyeroll:
All apologies but I welcome the gentrification of the #fediverse. Better arguments are winning imo. It was never going to be a pretty process. #bridgyfed
Side note: if you mark your posts as public (including in the cc, which in mastodon is "unlisted") then servers MAY send them to any public relays they like without asking for your consent.
I think this is a terrible practice, personally, but it is what the protocol says.
Like, here's the thing: rather than harassment and brigading of one developer who is trying to solve a use case, why not focus your energy on an actual long-term solution.
Support a FEP, talk to the SWICG, file issues on the mastodon issue tracker or support issues there, go read about ZCAPs or the various writings on social networks of consent and the proposals around that
(Don't harass them either. Stop harassing people.)
Or you can just put the tag in your profile or block them
Fediversen federaatio on konseptina hyvin ristiriitainen. Pidän siitä, ettei fediverse ole keskitetty. Pidän myös siitä, että kuka tahansa voi teknisen osaamisensa rajoissa pistää oman instanssin pystyyn ja olla osa fediverseä.
Ongelmalliseksi asian tekee se, että myös kaupalliset toimijat, joiden tavoitteet ja periaatteet ovat täysin ristiriidassa omien periaatteideni kanssa, voivat tulla tänne mukaan.
Yhtäkkiä kyse ei olekaan vain hajauttamisesta tai avoimuudesta vaan siitä, että yksittäinen taho haluaa louhia mahdollisimman paljon sisältöä omiin käyttötarkoituksiinsa. Samalla kaupallisten motiviien ja niitä tukevien algoritmien synnyttämä roskasisältö voi alkaa valua fediversen puolelle.
En sinänsä vastusta kaupallisia toimijoita, jotka haluavat olla osa fediverseä. En vain pidä siitä, että kaupalliset toimijat pyrkivät tuomaan kaikki kaupallisen toiminnan tunnetut paskakäytännöt ja synkät bisnesmallit tänne.
@johnmastodon@saaste Kyllä. #BridgyFed toimii kuten bird.makeup, paitsi että on reaaliaikainen ja molemminsuuntainen. Eli käyttäjät löytyvät molemmilta alustoilta, Bluesky-käyttäjät voivat seurata Mastodon-käyttäjiä ja toisinpäin, vastailla, tykkäillä, boostata jne.
I’m not even arguing any more about which social media platform is the best. Only thing certain is that X is shit. For the rest I’m just waiting for the modern microblogging services to be connected via ActivityPub. In the meantime I’m using only Mastodon and Threads.
Hi! I’m Ryan. I’ve been building social network bridges and related tools for over 12 years, including Bridgy, which connects personal web sites and blogs to centralized social networks…
Inspiring mix of perspective expanding and personal talks at border:none (https://border-none.net/@border_none) the past two days. Thanks speakers, volunteers, and especially organizers @marcthiele.com (@marcthiele@marcthiele) and @jkphl.is (@jkphl@jkphl).
Looking forward to the next two days at #IndieWebCamp Nürnberg @tollwerk.de (@tollwerk@tollwerk) of personal site demos, brainstorming sessions, and making, creating, & hacking things from UX to protocols to improve & interconnect our websites, with each other ( #Webmention ), #fediverse ( #BridgyFed & #ActivityPub ), and others ( #POSSE#backfeed ).
Still a few spots if you’re in town or can hop on a train and join us Saturday & Sunday!
Bridgy Fed connects your web site to Mastodon and the Fediverse (and possibly Bluesky and Nostr later)
Bridgy Fed turns your web site into its own Fediverse account, visible in Mastodon and beyond. You can post, reply, like, repost, and follow Fediverse accounts by posting on your site with microformats2 and sending webmentions. Bridgy Fed translates those pos ...continues
"The silver lining is, after all the chaos and destruction and flight to the fediverse, Twitter doesn’t feel nearly as important now as it did half a year ago. It’s always been Bridgy’s biggest user base, it had a great 11-year run, I never quite expected it to end like this, but here we are."
I'm considering writing a formal document (FEP?) that specifies how an ActivityPub service (including both server and client behavior) may implement domain-only names like #Bluesky has. Because it's the biggest beneficial thing Bluesky has that we don't (the one other thing is detached "preferred" handles, which is related). I've reasoned somewhere else before that it would be super helpful for #BridgyFed, #Tumblr, and #Wordpress.
Re-introducing Bridgy Fed (snarfed.org)
Hi! I’m Ryan. I’ve been building social network bridges and related tools for over 12 years, including Bridgy, which connects personal web sites and blogs to centralized social networks…