Inductor, (edited )

Artemis Fowl (Book 1) (he’s the good guy in the following books)

SrTobi,

And the first was by far the best

Hazzia,

MEGAMIND

bionicjoey,

“Presentation” gives me goosebumps every time. Such a great scene

Dianoga,

“Presentation!” is a regular reference in our lives.

lazylion_ca,

Unfortunately the sequel absolutely lacks presentation. Its like they completely forgot what made the first movie good.

bionicjoey,

There’s a sequel? 😬

lazylion_ca,

Sadly yes.

bionicjoey, (edited )

Just looked it up. None of the original VA cast (all recast). 2.1 stars on IMDB. That’s the lowest I’ve ever seen.

MissJinx,
@MissJinx@lemmy.world avatar

well he didn’t “tuned out to be the good guy”. He was a bad guy and later became good because of the girl.

Synthuir,

I think the message of the film was more that he was always good (to some extent) and that his earlier actions were influenced by his upbringing (in contrast to Metro Man’s)

bob_lemon,

He simply grew up into the role of the villain. And then he played that role.

Tolookah,

Does Snape count?

What about Loki(marvel)?

daddyjones,
@daddyjones@lemmy.world avatar

Snape was never a good guy though. Very brave, yes and he had some good qualities. He was also vindictive and a bully - willing to put his petty dislikes above the quality of his teaching.

illi,

Snape was a good guy, in a sense of oposing the bad guy.

He was however not a good guy in a sense of being at least a decent human being.

turkishdelight,

He was also vindictive and a bully

I formed the impression that James Potter and his gang were the real bullies, and Snape is a tragic character traumatized by their bullying.

520,

Remember that we see this scene through Snape's memories - something wizards are able to distort to varying degrees.

It may well be that we aren't seeing the full story. It is revealed later that tit-for-tat behaviour was quite common to the both of them.

candybrie,

Yes, but then he went on to be an adult bullying children.

turkishdelight, (edited )

The book strongly implies that Snape turns into a horrible person as a direct consequence of James Potter’s bullying. He seems to be a nice kid before that.

xkforce,

Do you honestly think hed be able to keep undercover if he didnt act like a slytherin asshole?

SkyezOpen,

Tragic and also an asshole.

fleabomber,
@fleabomber@lemmy.world avatar

Oh wow, you found my epitaph.

Kornblumenratte,

Not exactly a story. I just watched Babylon 5, and it’s fascinating how the good guys are the bad guys are the good guys are the bad guys…

MxM111,
MxM111 avatar

What bad guys are good guys? The reverse is obviously Vorlons.

Kornblumenratte,

No bad guys are good guys. And most good guys are not good guys, either.

The Shadows, the Centauri and the PSI Corps are introduced as “bad guys” but gain a lot of positive aspects during the show without becoming “good guys”. The Nightwatch and the Earth Governement under president Clark are “bad guys” – but quite a few of there supporters/members become important “good” characters, like Zach Allan, Elizabeth Lochley or Susanna Luchenko.

That’s my point about the Babylon 5 series – they deconstruct the good guy/bad guy meme. Mostly.

MxM111,
MxM111 avatar

Centauri got positive aspects? Londo personally, maybe, but not the Centauri. Psi cops as well did not become better, but more like “even bad people have feelings” type of thing.

theterrasque,

Who are you?

What do you want?

Also, I think good and bad is a bit fluid there. It’s just people with different agendas. Well, except emperor Cartagia. And perhaps Bester.

Kornblumenratte,

It’s Me, Myself and I.

Achieving a state of complacementness in an unperfect world full of suffering and joy.

Yep – that’s what I like about it. Good and bad are fluid, like in reality. Even Bester is shown to be a caring character striving for the good of his people.

LouNeko,
  • Evangelion, sort of.
  • Tom and Jerry
  • Metal Gear Solid 3
xmunk,

If we’re going with doomer anime Naussicaä is probably a better example.

Comradesexual,
@Comradesexual@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Naussicaä

I cannot find it anywhere. :((((

ltxrtquq,

Unless I’m mistaken, they’re talking about Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind (1984)

simple,

The villains aren’t good though, it just turned out that the princess has some honor in the war

FaceDeer,
@FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar

The villains had the goal of driving back the fungal forest, which was advancing and destroying civilization. They didn't know that it was filtering pollutants out of water, and they were using militaristic techniques that have the designated "evil" tag but that IMO should be considered in a more nuanced way.

Basically, Nausicaa thought she was in the post-apocalypse and wanted to "live in harmony" with the state of the world. The Valley of the Wind had unique advantages allowing them to do that. Kushana thought the apocalypse was still ongoing, and it was - we saw that other settlements that didn't have the special meteorological layout of the Valley of the Wind were being overrun by advancing fungal forests.

From a very slightly different perspective, Kushana was the hero here. She was unifying a disorganized and doomed rabble of survivors to work against their doom, and recovered an ancient superweapon to turn it into a protective force that would save humanity instead of attacking it. She turned out to be wrong about a few things but being wrong doesn't make you evil. I'd argue that she wasn't really wrong about some of the important stuff and the movie ends on a mixed note.

It's been a little while since I've seen the movie, mind you, but it stuck with me pretty strongly.

QuestioningEspecialy,
QuestioningEspecialy avatar

...you seen Princess Mononoke yet?

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