Hey i just wanna know are raccoons evil in some kind of way ?

A lot of things i thought were cute and nice like dolphines, ducks, cats (i saw one cat eat anothers new born), dogs (multiple cases of eating dead owners due to a variety of reasons starting from trying to wake em up to other malicious reasons), hamsters etc turned out to be wrong . Raccoons are the only thing i believe in anymore so give it to me straight are they as they seem ?

Edit : To reduce confusion and to not have to answer to duplicate comments NO I do not hate animals . I think they are all neat and they are what they are and I don’t hold them up to humans standard but I’m not an animal person like cat people or dog people either . I hope this clears it up.

BugleFingers,

Nature is way way more vicious than most people think or believe. Rape, infanticide, necrophilia, cannibalism, etc. Are not entirely uncommon out in nature. It’s a vicious race for survival and procreation and anything goes. Raccoons are the same.

mozz, (edited )
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And, in particular, the animals that tend to give effective resistance to the humans' program of "hey I'm gonna trap / shoot / poison you or destroy your home because you're inconveniencing me", tend to get demonized as these crazy murder beasts when they'd probably be much happier living in the woods and doing their thing.

Human farmer eating chickens: Look, he went back to the land, so charming

Raccoon eating farmer's chickens: HE IS THE DEVIL

Animals do not exist in a moral universe. Humans do. And yet, somehow, when a conflict between them escalates, the animals are always the ones being psychopaths.

SilverFlame,

One of my friends keeps chickens in a small coop surrounded by chicken wire. A while back some raccoons killed most of his chickens by pulling pieces of them through the small holes in the wire fence. A few years after the incident I was visiting my friend. While we were hanging out in the backyard I stepped on a dessicated chicken wing…

Taniwha420,

When they are in Kill Mode they are absolutely vicious. They’d reach through the fence and pull the chickens’ heads off.

Sensitivezombie,

A Raccoon would ask are humans evil for treating the world and nature as their privately owned land to do whatever they want without regards to other habitants.

Legend,

Yeah most beings do including humans themselves.

Bytemeister,

Honestly, Skunks, and maybe Possums. They are omnivores, so there is a certain amount of “will kill and eat other living things” but generally they have chill vibes and prefer to eat roots and garbage.

Raccoons aren’t necessarily evil, but they are definitely chaotic little shit bastards.

BonesOfTheMoon,

Funny I just saw this in the news today:

globalnews.ca/news/…/zombie-raccoon-virus-cdv/

intensely_human,

Search your feelings. You know it to be true.

garbagebagel,

Capybaras. Animals aren’t evil but if you’re trying to think of a chill animal that does no wrong by human standards, it’s capybaras.

Grass,

My dad had been feeding raccoons and squirrels but the raccoon was still hungry one day and killed and ate the slowest squirrel. I wouldn’t call it evil though. Nature is metal as some people say.

nickwitha_k,

Are raccoons evil? Absolutely not. Like humans, some individual animals may engage in anti-social activities (be assholes) but, with a few exceptions, non-human animals do not engage in things from a long-term perspective that is required to develop philosophy, culture, ethics, and morality. Another requirement is likely possessing Theory of the Mind; an understanding that other beings have their own mental states (intention, desires, knowledge, etc.). Few non-human animals have been demonstrated to have this ability and frequently, the evidence suggests that it is also not an ability present in all members of the species.

So, the TL;DR is: No and very few animals could have the capacity to be “evil”.

So, what are they?

Cute, inquisitive, intelligent, clever, and, yes, fairly dangerous. Raccoons have sharp teeth and claws that can do serious damage to humans and houses, and they can be very deadly to cats and dogs. For canines, it’s generally smaller breeds that are at risk but, in some places, like Western Washington state, populations of raccoons have been observed hunting in packs to take down larger dogs.

Why did I mention houses? Well, raccoons are intelligent and understand enough to get themselves into trouble and cause serious property damage. There are multiple accounts of people feeding local raccoons then, after coming home from a vacation, discovering that the raccoons that they had been feeding had pulled shingles off the roof and damaged the building’s sheathing in an attempt to get the food that had been suddenly cut-off.

Additionally, raccoons can carry rather dangerous infectious diseases. On the viral side, they are a major vector of the rabies virus as well as distemper. For bacteria, they have been shown to be vector of listeria and leptospirosis. They also can carry a number of parasites, including acting as the primary host for Baylisascaris procyonis, which is a particularly resilient roundworm (eggs can survive 20% bleach solution) that can cause encephalitis in humans.

Trash pandas are awesome but, best enjoyed from a safe distance.

Adulated_Aspersion,

If you have chickens, you will automatically dislike raccoons.

If given the opportunity, raccoons will get into a coop and kill all chickens. It won’t eat the chickens. It will just kill them.

deft,

why? beef with dinosaurs or something??

nickwitha_k,

I’m going with that.

Paragone,

Raccoon-medicine is the medicine of helping-friends.

There was a meme going 'round, where somebody had put up a bird-feeder or something, and they had it about 1 yard/metre off the ground, to prevent the raccoons from getting food from it…

… a whole heap of them formed a living-ladder, so one of 'em could get at the food.

That is the brilliantest demonstration of exactly what some Indigenous religions have said about ‘em, that anybody could ever ask for.

Read “Medicine Cards” by Jamie Sams, for a good survey of animal-spirits: it’s reasonably accurate.

I’d add to it that upright owl-medicine is the medicine of meditation, but Indigenous religions didn’t dig into that kind of thing, only inner-winds peoples did ( Asian region ).

( and anybody who goes & lives among wilderness for awhile will learn animals’ natures/spirits specific to that locale, obviously )

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Smoogs,

Wow you really overshot that post.

dingus,

Is this AI?

Legend,

Wut ?

xc2215x,

No. They are not.

Kolanaki,
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They technically are able to flip you off.

Legend,

Ah that’s a plus .

some_guy,

I saw a video of a lady trying to help baby raccoons that had fallen through an open window climb up and get to their mother. The mother attacked her. They don’t know our intent. They just see a threat to their babies. That’s not evil. That’s just nature and animals. The lady was pissed that it tried to get her when she was trying to help, which is understandable. But I don’t think she thought, “oh you evil piece of shit.” More like, “I wish you knew I was trying to help.”

Infynis,
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Animals can’t be evil. They’re amoral. They don’t philosophize, they don’t feel guilt; they don’t comprehend life in the same way that we do. Both cruelty and mercy are human constructs. All animals can do is try to guarantee survival for themselves and their offspring. They’ve all evolved into a specific niche, and these behaviors you deride are just instincts that have successfully ensured the survival of their ancestors, and so were passed on. If you can’t handle the idea that animals in general sometimes kill to survive, get a plant

HopeOfTheGunblade,
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But not a Venus flytrap. Or a pitcher plant. Or rafflesia. Or...

mynachmadarch,

A Venus flytrap doesn't kill to survive. It hugs to death, and then since the body is there it just makes sure it doesn't go to waste. Big difference.

amzd,

My dog definitely seems to feel guilt, what is your source?

nickwitha_k,

What we perceive as “guilt” from domestic dogs is generally classified as a fear/submission display. It’s anthropomorphizing. Not saying that dogs don’t have feelings. They absolutely do. Guilt and shame, however, are likely not in their pallette.

Legend,

And still some animals prefer only select few others and only some humans . They are capable of affection as we can see with dog and their owners or dogs and their kids . I think they do feel sadness, happyness, love etc. Atleast a version of it so I don’t think all they are capable of is survival instinct .

Infynis,
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They can do those things because they’ve been beneficial. Cats domesticated themselves because living with humans makes them safer. Their meows are cute, because that makes us want to protect them. They are absolutely capable of love, but they’re still animals

Hegar,
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They can do those things because they’ve been beneficial

That describes human behavior just as well.

Infynis,
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You’re right in this, and your other comment, but if OP isn’t ready for “sometimes animals eat each other in nature,” I don’t think they’re ready for the complexities of what it means to be human, and the fact that we are also animals, but have some unique behaviors

Hegar,
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I agree with you pretty much everything you said, I just think that drawing a strong distinction between any one species and every other one mischaracterizes the situation. Evil is a human construct that applies as poorly to human behaviour as to the behaviour of every other animal, for the same reasons.

If you'll excuse me simplifying your point, "They're animals of course they do that, evil doesn't come into it" is not quite as accurate as "We're all animals, evil doesn't come into it", to my mind at least. Because OP didn't just misunderstand an aspect of non-human animals, they misunderstood an aspect of how life works.

Hegar,
Hegar avatar

We're animals. Like all social animals we have behavioral norms and individuals who violate them in circumstances that benefit them.

Many animals display empathy, both in their behavior and neurology. Many animals understand, remember and display reciprocity. Many animals mourn. Many animals show strong evidence of forming assessments of individuals from other species.

Our actions are determined by the sum total of our genetics, experience and social expectations, same as any other social animal.

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