I view it as a useful over simplification. We can simplify politics all the way down to “Left/Right” but that ignores so much of what motivates and drives people. In our current political environment, an ecofascist and an anarchosyndicalist might both be labeled as “left” even though the only thing they have in common is thinking “Maybe we shouldn’t just destroy the planet?” so the political compass is an easy to print visual aid to help guide people to that political views exist along multiple spectrums. My personal view is that the current best “political quiz with information at the backend about who you fit with” is 9axes, and that’s mostly because we’ve gotten to a point where we’re ready to start labeling the political compass as “no longer a useful over simplification, and instead a gross oversimplification”
an ecofascist and an anarchosyndicalist might both be labeled as “left”
but one isn't left, because any sort of fascism is incompatible with the left no matter what they call themselves, which is a perfect example of why the PC is bullshit - authoritarianism is inherently incompatible with leftism, but authoritarians and the right in general will, as it has done throughout history, co-opt leftist language and ideas to legitimise themselves and gain power.
The fact that the PC even exists, let alone how many people think it's reflective of reality, is just more evidence of the ignorance, both wilful and fostered (via state sanctioned education seeking to deny us an understanding of the system or the critical thinking skills to examine it, minimising any challenge to the status quo) that exists around politics, which the compass only serves to deepen.
Left and Right are far too ill defined in a complicated political system to say authoritarianism is inherently incompatible with leftism. The very first left / right split was between two different groups of authoritarians with one side wanting to a government similar to the prior monarchy they had enjoyed, and the other side establishing a brutal dictatorship that killed 40,000 people for not hating the concept of monarchy enough. We need a more complicated metaphor than Left / Right because otherwise we get stuck in “no true Scotsman” debates about the many different spectrums of opinion someone can have. I agree the political compass sucks, I don’t agree its a tool to coopt leftness by right wingers. I think, as I said, what we need is to start normalizing more complicated spectrum tools like 8values and 9axes
The thing is that from what I can see they are not. If your instance doesn’t defederate from let’s say exploding heads or hexbear then people start with shaming you for that first and then defederating from your instance. So in this way no, they seem not allowed to decide who they talk to.
I can’t believe I keep seeing this slander of Blahaj. We federated with those tankie communities as an olive branch. And they defederated with us after it became clear we didn’t like them. We aren’t a bunch of safe space tenderqueers, we tried to make a difficult relationship work.
And Beehaw defederated because they needed more moderators / more moderation tools.
Do you understand other instances issues enough to make a meta meme?
I think nobody has a problem with you not taking the pamphlet, but you telling me that I’m not allowed to take that pamphlet, there the problems start.
You are not your Lemmy account, and you are specifically not one single Lemmy account. If you don’t like the policy of an instance, you can try to change it or go somewhere else. Ok right, in the attempt to influence policy, you can play the ‘you telling me that I’m not allowed’-card.
Now that I think about it, the most uncensored Lemmy experience is being logged out. Every content is visible, no middle man can hinder you to visit these sites. It’s a bit like when a public library decides to organize their books into separate rooms. Would you call that censorship because you have to walk between the rooms to access all the content?
Censorship would be fitting if certain content would be erased from the library. I think that’s only possible on Lemmy if all instances agree.
he’s right there. he has the pamphlets. he’s giving them away for free. it’s 100% available to anyone who wants it. no one is stopping you from doing anything, they’re just not helping.
I think there is a misunderstanding here, I didn’t say that you can’t create a new instance or a new account on a different instance to technically go around the defederation (for a limited time). I also don’t understand what your point is, the people from exploding heads can do that too.
the misunderstanding is in that I don’t understand where defederating is in any way censorship, but everyone is treating it as though it’s censorship. Defederating is just refusing to help spread someone’s speech, which is perfectly fine and reasonable. The message I refuse to signal boost is still there, people can see it, they can even choose to boost it further if they want. The people who originate the message are not locked out of the instance that defederate them either. But everyone acts like this is the equivalent of putting a gun to someone’s head and demanding that they shut up and I’m honestly really confused about it.
What’s the latest drama of Hexbear ? I’ve been on that site since before they were part of the fediverse, but had started to lose interest in it. Then I’ve joined Lemmy without knowing Hexbear was in the process of federating. Now I’m hesitating on which account to keep (I’m more on the communist side myself, albeit not to keen on the pro-Russian stance I sometimes saw over there).
I haven’t followed it thoroughly as I’m not particularly interested with the hexbear content, I think they opened federation (but only on allowlist) but as soon as they did so many of the big instances said “fuck no” and immediately defederated them. This includes lemmy.world, feddit.de, beehaw.org, lemmy.ca … list goes on.
It just amazes me that our little instance went from something for me to play with, to an instance at the centre of ongoing fedi drama, and the source of several memes.
It’s up now. Not terribly active, unfortunately, but I love that someone had the dedication of creating one. And, as I said the meme, their theme is lovely.
It’s funny because everything I heard about beehaw would make me put them in the authoritarian right category with we want your e-mail for registration, we defederate everything that we don’t like
I am gonna give a hot-take, but we need more conservative on the fediverse, of course I don’t talk about the nazi uncle who still say that During the war, German soldiers were well behave unlike the Americans but classic liberal who support people like Macron/Merkel/Von der leyen and other reasonable right-winger are people we can talk-with
I feel like they are near the Orange LibLeft quadrant: a liberal that actually ends up behaving in a somewhat authoritarian manner in enforcing their beliefs onto others for the sake of safety, diversity and so on.
Both beehaw and their admins are great and at the end of the day the beauty of the fediverse is that everyone can run their instance as they please. I just wish there was another way to fix this sort of probems without having to block 5k+ people from accessing your website.
I am gonna give a hot-take, but we need more conservative on the fediverse
100% agree. And no, this doesn’t mean Trump supporters. In fact it doesn’t even mean anything close to the American right. Other countries have reasonable and functioning centre-right parties and I’d love to have something like that on Lemmy.
I’ve never seen Exploding Heads but I’ve heard things… It’s the only one shown on this chart I think I have any issue with, if what I’ve heard is true.
The entire bottom half though is like my whole shit.
I’m subscribed to !digitslfreedom and haven’t seen any problems there, it’s kind of a normal Tech and privacy community, that’s why I didn’t de-federate from them. I probably blocked some users from there.
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