So, open message: if you're from #Meta and you are working on this #P92 service, you should contact the #W3C#SocialCG to work on compatibility with #ActivityPub.
We're excited about your project and we're here to help.
@evan > What can Meta do to support the fediverse? How can we ensure our entry to
> this ecosystem is a positive thing that helps grow the community?
For one, donating to various "competing" projects and servers. For two, not going ahead and breaking people's interactions and instead going through the standards process; large entities need to be slower moving and more stable; leave rapid development to smaller entities. Third, SIGNIFICANTLY better moderation than they have.
@blake Agreed, although I think the dev teams of those projects would fall under heavy criticism for accepting Meta money even if it came in the form of a donation.
There’s already conspiratorial thought that Eugen has somehow sold the project to them
@wonkothesane I think they could do it anonymously but at that point there's no motive for them as it subtracts money without even gaining PR points, and they are a for-profit corporation after all. I think it would be best done carefully, and in a way that it's not a majority or a major loss should they withdraw it.
@blake Maybe if they said we’re dividing X money between all fediverse projects and they can take it or leave it a public donation would work
I agree they’d have zero incentive to do it without the PR benefits. I don’t think they actually care about the state of the fedi other than using it as a place to dump their banned accounts
@evan Marketing this thing with contributions from other Fedi platforms would be nice too; I think they can win enough new users with "you can join any of the thousands of Mastodon or (another software, perhaps at random) servers, or? You can join Threads, and follow your friends from there."
Number five would be putting maximum privacy and minimum data processing on non-Threads content, considering we do not, have not, and will not agree to their ToS or policy.
@blake I've sent a reply there with some suggestions, let's see if it arrives to the archives as well. The list description says anyone can post, they can always direct people to some other place for more freewheeling discussion if necessary.
I'd like to use the opportunity to say thank you to @datatitian for his work in Social CG!
Will created the Metaverse for the Fediverse in the form of https://web.immers.space …
The #SocialCG did also meet within immers and at the rC3 we had a community room with Christine Lemmer-Webber and others there.
I think what the immers people have done for fedi is really magic.
@evan
Hey, who needs principles when you can secure a New Zealand bunker spot after helping the billionaire sociopaths take out what's left of democracy right as the climate wars kick off, amirite?
@smallpatatas@evan someone not sharing your exact principles is not the same as them having no principles. You’re being mean on the internet. Go for a walk.
@bengo
You profile says you want "robust openness".
How you gonna get rid of walled gardens if you keep inviting the garden-wall-construction company with access to billions of dollars, whose entire existence depends on there not being a viable open alternative to their product?
@evan This seems like the most constructive approach to me (though clearly there's absolutely no consensus around all of this, a lot of competing desires and a lot of fear of change...though I'm not sure how people think they can stop an open protocol from evolving and changing, other than building a wall around their own garden, which is fine if what someone really wants is a closed web experience, which may be entirely appropriate in some cases!).
@evan Yes, I suspect this will be part of the challenge, developing tools to protect people who want to avoid corporate predation, advertising and data scraping (though I'm actually a bit more concerned about Bluesky's plans on that front than Meta's). But Truth Social proves that it's entirely possible to use Mastodon software to create a walled garden to keep other people in or out if that's what someone desires.
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