@gentoobro@aral it still blows my mind. They're supposed to be like the flagship linux distro, and you ship it with a version of firefox that takes no less than 45 seconds to start on any hardware. Insanity. Its better now but regardless.
@Vril_Oreilly@aral Fat binaries are retarded at the core. SNAP, Flatpack, Universal Binaries, Go statically linking everything all the time. All of them. You end up with mountains of duplicate code on your system that eats ram, wastes bus bandwidth, and just slows everything down in general. All just because you couldn't manage to build a package manager (Windows), or got lazy and threw it away (Ubuntu).
@gentoobro@Vril_Oreilly Duplicate code is fine (unless you’re writing it). Flatpaks work great. Static binaries are awesome and just work. Optimise for the right thing: ease of use. Storage is cheap. Human time (life) is invaluable.
@Azuaron Yeah, that’s why I’m going with Alma for the small web stuff. (Ideally, I would have loved to go with CoreOS but the Fedora/Hetzner folks weren’t interested enough in getting it running on Hetzner and a couple of years is likely long enough to wait for it. Maybe if one day there’s affordable CoreOS hosting, I’ll switch. In the meanwhile, ten years of support is good enough to get started with.) :)
I can certainly understand why Linux operating systems have such a low home/small business user rate. Even the Linux community doesn't like the easier to use Linux operating systems.
I still maintain a Mint OS laptop knowing eventually, I'll need to use it as my primary computer. But I'm just a dumb retired home computer user. Maybe I should look for a different OS? But I probably won't as the learning curve is too steep even with the Mint OS.
@aral I started my second job on Monday. One of my two main areas of work is being the dedicated SysOps person for this company and bringing them over from MS shite to FOSS.
I started setting up an Ubuntu VM to prototype the deployment I want to create for them because most MS stuff for Linux is aimed at Ubuntu, so I had hoped this would ease migrating.
First there was of course the nagging for eNtErPrIsE bullshit, which is a bad omen, but whatever.
@aral During the installation process, I marked Postgres and some other stuff for installation. Saw it was only Postgres 10 (i.e ancient), but figured I could just apt upgrade.
After booting into the system, I had to notice that it didn't install the software I'd chosen via apt, but as fucking containers through their shitty snap thing.
This thing reeks of awful low quality freemium bullshit all around and I deleted the entire thing to set up Debian.
@kevin@aral There's always a tension between widespread acceptance and not replicating MS' flaws. My feeling is that the more Linux looks like MS in certain characteristics, the more hardware is supported out of the box. The biggest barrier to using Linux is still the driver/kernel shenanigans you have to do.
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