ilumium,
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Today: workshop with lawyers at the @EU_Commission:

The mandates Meta to "enable end users to freely choose to opt-in to [combining or cross-using personal data] by offering a less personalised but equivalent alternative".

When I pointed out to Meta that by offering users to either to or pay € 275 per year for & isn't "equivalent alternative" they said, Meta has to do that because of 😤 Really??

ilumium,
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Background: had outlined in depth how all other instances of personal data cross-use and combination across services have now a real consent screen included that enables people to choose data use or "less personalised but equivalent" alternatives; aka not paid (as required by DMA Art 5.2).

Just not for ads, presumably because this would impact Meta's bottom line.

ilumium,
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Next on in 's compliance workshop:

🎉

ilumium,
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lobbyist: "Nothing in this space is as secure and tried and tested as the protocol."

CC @signalapp

ilumium,
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Ouh, so I just asked / whether with @matrix (should they request it) would apply to @element Inc, the Matrix.org reference server, or the entire federation?

Answer: probably the legal entity, so either Element Inc or the Matrix Foundation. I assume they would have to choose which server this includes.

But (did I hear that correctly?) the Meta person almost sounded as if a broadening to the federation could potentially be envisaged in the future.

ilumium,
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In any event, it sounds like is planning to make opt-in only; but not in the way I suggested, which is give WA users a yes/no button when a non-WA user asks to connect, just like does already for Signal users.

I interpret 's response to my question as meaning that WA users will have to actively switch on interop in the settings before people can ping them.

ilumium,
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Today: compliance workshop with / :)

While Alphabet seems to be better in terms of the new & choice screens, they have a strange view regarding their new obligation to allow un-installing pre-installed apps like or :

Alphabet's lobbyists argue un-install and remove are two different things and as the 's Art 6(3) only mandates un-install but not removal, the current "deactivation" feature in Android would be enough. 🤔

ilumium,
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Funny to see how even almost 10 years after, employees here keep on calling their company "", regardless of whether they come from the , , or teams :)

osma,
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@ilumium
Android, Chrome and YouTube ARE all part of Google. In practice, we don't see the non-Google Alphabet subsidiaries that often.

ilumium,
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Haha #Google bitches against #Apple: "We allow 3rd party app stores, #sideloading, automatic updates for sideloaded apps, and #PWA for free."

santiago,
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@ilumium That’s one good side of Android. But the reason is that at the end is “we don’t mind much about other AppStores because at the root we are an advertising company and we still make money “

eighthave,

@santiago @ilumium hmm, I don't think that's entirely true. Google makes a lot of money at very high profit margins from Google Play. They are not DMA compliant, they just have a very different strategy than Apple. started how being open source to attract developers, so Google built their monopoly upon a more open platform. To do so, they've mastered dark patterns, nudging, and security as monopoly enforcement integrated into the best tech in key areas (e.g. search).

santiago,
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@eighthave @ilumium Note that I am not saying they don’t make money elsewhere but last data I saw was still 80% (?) of Google revenue was advertising. Maybe two years ago. I imagine they try to get out of it which is now happening with higher prices for the services we have become entangled in.

ilumium,
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If you needed any more proof that the so-called is an front, their lobbyist just asked whether it wasn't worried that 3rd party app stores are dangerous to users and would put a control process in place (like Apple does). 😠

ilumium,
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OK I'm back after the lunch break, and the / compliance workshop is heating up nicely:

They're talking Google Shopping and and competitors are accusing Google openly to be like a "dictator" and "blatantly non-compliant" with the . 👊

ilumium,
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Wow, 's engineering lead claims that they had 3,000 employees working for 2 years full-time to implement the 's article 5(2) prohibition of cross-sharing or combining people's personal data across services without .

benjaoming,
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@ilumium Was/will that claim be verified by 3,000 redundancies once the mission is fulfilled? Or do they provide some evidence that this was actually their cost? Or is it "don't regulate us" propaganda?

ilumium,
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tl;dr wrap-up from my 3rd day of compliance workshops with : while / seems to fare slightly better than in terms of compliance plans (from a digital rights perspective that is, I'm sure price comparison and hotel industries would disagree), there is still some way to go before the proposed changes can be called satisfactory. 🙊

And just to be clear: Google is still a terrible violator, the DMA will hardly change that.

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