California jogger charged over killing of homeless man blocking sidewalk

Craig Sumner Elliott, 68, allegedly shot Antonio Garcia Avalos, 40, in incident in Orange county

A California jogger was charged this week in the killing of a homeless man who was blocking the sidewalk.

Craig Sumner Elliott, 68, was jogging with his two dogs and pushing a cart on 28 September when he came across Antonio Garcia Avalos, 40, who was sleeping in the middle of the sidewalk, prosecutors in Orange county, California, said.

Elliott allegedly tried to wake Avalos by nudging him with the pushcart, whereupon Avalos started yelling at Elliott to leave him alone.

Elliott, who allegedly filmed their encounter, then brought a handgun out of his cart, prosecutors charged, adding that when Avalos stood and threw a shoe at Elliott, he ducked and responded by shooting Avalos three times.

Avalos subsequently died from his injuries. Elliott, who does have an active concealed carry permit issued by the local sheriff’s office, was arrested on 17 November in the incident.

Empricorn,

This “well-regulated militia” was legally carrying a firearm. Biden’s deep state is charging him anyway!

–Conservatives, probably

Pyr_Pressure,

Supposed “good guy with a gun” led to a death that wouldn’t have happened if there were stricter gun control.

TheBloodFarts,

Arm the homeless!

Brekky,

Exactly how do you ‘nudge’ someone with a cart? Is talking to them loudly or reaching down and touching a shoulder really that impossible? (god forbid you choose to go around them, the inconvenience!)

Madison420,

You don’t, you hit them with a cart.

Pratai,

Welcome to Murkia.

EtherWhack,
@EtherWhack@lemmy.world avatar

Apparently, it was the old man who threw the shoe, not the homeless man

www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_1mzHyXstI

DebraBucket,

Reminds me of the criminal who murdered Markeis McGlockton and almost got away with it due to Slaughter Young Gentlemen laws. en.wikipedia.org/…/Killing_of_Markeis_McGlocktonSYG laws are basically “get out of jail free” cards for murderers. The police let McGlockton’s murderer walk free because of SYG laws. It wasn’t until public backlash that the police arrested and charged McGlockton’s murderer. California does not have SYG laws.

One notable thing here is Avalos was murdered 9/28 but not arrested until 11/17, over a month after the murder. After McGlockton’s murder on 7/19, the county sheriff refused to arrest the murderer but once the investigation was handed over to the state on 8/1, the murderer would be arrested only 2 weeks later on 8/13. Orange County appears to have dragged its feet arresting this murderer, in comparison.

vivadanang,

Slaughter Young Gentlemen

never heard it referred to as that but yeah, Stand Your Ground laws are a right wing dog whistle for open season on whoever they can attack.

RememberTheApollo_,

Felony firearm enhancement? Wonder what that was.

Fades,

What a fucking coward, you threw a shoe at me? Time to die!

dehumanization is absolutely disgusting, and it’s a core part of this capitalist hellscape

SatansMaggotyCumFart,

Remember when the Iraqi threw the show at former president Bush and he didn’t do anything to the Iraqis?

EatATaco,

Lol I love how this is being turned into an attack on capitalism.

shalafi,

I wonder if the shooter isn’t slipping into dementia or the like. One clearly has to be suffering some sort of mental illness to lose their shit like this.

I’m 52, so this is a concern for me. First hint that I’m losing it? My wife will be instructed to change the safe codes and hide the backup keys. Gets worse? Guns will all have to go.

nonfuinoncuro,

Why wait? Are they that important to you that you’re willing to risk becoming another sad news story? How are you so sure your wife is trustworthy?

If you’re worried about it maybe you should act on it.

Xanthrax,
@Xanthrax@lemmy.world avatar

Before anyone says he deserved it for throwing a shoe…

Someone did that to George W. Bush, WHILE HE WAS PRESIDENT, and he was simply arrested.

dewritoninja,

That shoe was a weapon of mass destruction

negativeyoda,

… is anyone arguing that it was justified?

StorminNorman,

No, which is why they said “before”. Which is probably fair, cos some gronk is gonna say something heinous along those lines. It’s 2023, welcome to hell.

EatATaco,

Omg someone has a stupid opinion! This is both a modern thing and literally hell!

Trainguyrom,

I believe they threw both shoes even!

MartinXYZ,

And this happened in Iraq.

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

Wants a guy laying on the sidewalk to move. Naturally, he kills him so he can’t move out of the way. Logical.

xc2215x,

Glad he is charged. It is what he deserves.

postmateDumbass,

Only took 50 days to arrest him. Expedited.

Pirate_lemmy_arrrrR,

Well trash has been removed from the sidewalk.

Unfortunate that an innocent homeless man had to die though.

Tedesche,

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    dependencyinjection,

    🙄

    Nelots,

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    Tedesche,

    LOL, I’m not a Republican. Says a lot about you though that you thought I was.

    tygerprints,

    Well good for him. I guess is all I'm allowed to say, because if I say that it's good that police arrested this bastard I'm labelled a liberal bootlicker. I guess I'm all for people killing homeless and doing whatever they want, then. In fact, I really encourage it - let's show the police they can't police us around or try to make us behave like decent human beings instead of sick animals.

    stopthatgirl7,
    stopthatgirl7 avatar

    …are you ok?

    PapaStevesy,

    …huh?

    AmberPrince,
    AmberPrince avatar

    I think he had a stroke. I saw him in another thread saying some stupid shit too.

    JokeDeity,

    Which family member of yours is a pig that has instilled this actual insanity into you? You have the wildest takes and seemingly you’re making them out of nowhere as you aren’t responding to anyone that said anything about pigs.

    Nurse_Robot,

    You’re a strange troll indeed

    SpaceNoodle,

    This could have been avoided if there was a Good Jogger With A Gun

    tygerprints,

    Yeah really! Such a thing is a complete oxymoron. Just like the people who think they're good for carrying concealed weapons. It's just a billion accidents looking for excuses to happen.

    Burn_The_Right,

    I’m starting a charity… “Arm the Homeless”. We can set up arming stations for the unhoused, providing assault rifles and even free ammo for those who run low.

    Augustiner,

    Man is almost 70 and still jogging and shooting homeless people while filming it! Must have been a wild life.

    givesomefucks,

    He had two dogs and was pushing a cart that carried his gun…

    Whatever he was doing, it wasn’t jogging.

    And him taking his phone out to record himself kicking the other man and yelling at him first, was likely only because he was hoping to antagonize a homeless person so he could “defend himself”.

    He’s got to be one of those idiots who believe the “stand your ground” bullshit.

    You can’t start kicking a sleeping man and then claim you’re a victim, but he’s gonna try

    yenahmik,

    That was my first thought, reading the article. There’s no way he was just jogging. What kind of jogger takes a cart with them? I’ve never seen something like that, and I see a lot of joggers in my area.

    givesomefucks,

    When the story first broke, most articles called him a dog walker.

    Anything to not make it obvious it’s another rage addicted boomer I guess

    Arcane_Trixster,

    He’s 68, it’s probably more of a Walker with a basket on it. I think identifying him as a “jogger” is a generous term. I assume it’s just an old man walking his dogs around the neighborhood.

    SheeEttin,

    People with children in strollers. Other than that, I’ve never seen it either.

    mean_bean279,

    Y’all telling me you ain’t ever seen someone with a stroller and a small dog in it? I see something like that at least twice a year. Guy probably has two small dogs and was pushing them in the cart if anything. He gets exercise, they get out of the house and to sniff around.

    SheeEttin,

    No, or at least not that I remember. I’ve seen plenty of people running with their dogs, but the dogs are on foot too.

    tygerprints,

    But god forbid we should praise police for their response in arresting this homicidal jerk. Obviously police caused this, somehow. And are just agents of evil. Humans should be allowed to kill and rape and molest other humans with impunity. Because otherwise, some asswipe on social media might accuse you of being (GASP!!!!!) a "bootlicker!"

    Nurse_Robot,

    Victim complex much? No one was antagonizing you, there’s no reason to be so defensive

    JokeDeity,

    Yeah, wipe the slate clean, they did a decent! 🙄

    ieatpillowtags,

    Oh look, it’s one of those bootlickers now! Remember kids, police can do no wrong and if they hurt or kill you, it’s because you didn’t show the proper deference due to your masters!

    Empricorn,

    I’ve seen entire farms with less straw than this argument.

    Police shouldn’t be “praised” for doing their jobs, in most cases. The majority of their day is spent fucking off unless some shit goes down, which is what they signed up for. Also, they’re legally immune from almost any action they take on the job, they’re very well compensated, with all the overtime pay they want, and if they do fuck up bad enough to lose a lawsuit, we all pay for it, not them.

    So yeah: how’s that leather taste??

    tygerprints,

    Always I get the same predictable response, "how's that leather taste." It tastes like your mum's cunt only healthy. That's how it tastes.

    You have never worked in law enforcement, and I am certain you spend most of your day fucking off whenever you can. But you are an idiot like most people, so I really don't expect any sort of intelligent response.

    SeaJ,

    Absolutely. This is one of the big problems with so many people carrying guns. There are many shitty people looking for a reason to use them.

    michaelmrose,

    He allegedly nudged the guy illegally blocking the sidewalk who responded by trying to assault an old man. Do you have a copy of the video I could not find one.

    EtherWhack,
    @EtherWhack@lemmy.world avatar

    You wake up to someone “nudging” you with their “cart” and expect not to be annoyed? Or, not to think they are trying to run the “cart” over you? Oh, and they have two (likely full-size) dogs with them. Would you really not go into fight-or-flight mode, really??? … Really?

    michaelmrose,

    Have you noticed how most homeless folks most places are not directly obstructing the sidewalk. Instead they are of to the side, in a doorway, in a green space. Anywhere they wont directly get stepped on, woken up, or rousted. If you directly block the sidewalk you might expect to have some hassle and not react by attempting to assault people by throwing your shoes at their head.

    ZzyzxRoad,

    When the guy didn’t move after he “nudged” him with his cart (I would bet money that it was harder than a nudge but whatever) he really couldn’t just go around onto the street? No, he would have rather filmed himself fighting with someone than just be a normal person.

    No, you shouldn’t block a sidewalk. No, you shouldn’t have to walk in the street with your dogs. Fine. But what you can do is pick your fucking battles and be the bigger person.

    There’s no sane reason to condone murdering another human being instead of taking a step to the right.

    QHC,

    Sounds like the homeless guy was “assaulted” first.

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