He is so transparently desperate to put Haley in the rear-view mirror.
And he's already told us what he's going to do to get out of debating with Biden: He's going to insist that none of the traditional debates be held and instead they all must be Trump campaign events hosted by his sycophants rather than independently run debates. When he doesn't get his way he's going claim Biden didn't want to debate him.
Biden should agree to that, and then when Trump lands in Moscow, Biden’s not there. He just closes the borders and put his shades on from the White House.
LOL I’d love to see Trump avoiding windows in Moscow.
He would be an anti-martyr. Just a stench hanging over the GOP. Not inspiring, just a criminal scared of justice getting golden showers from cheap Russian hookers.
Glad Biden didn’t take the bait, all debating him at this point would do was help cement the idea that Donald Trump is THE definitive Republican candidate
Right or wrong, a president can’t skip debates. That’s a non-starter, no matter who he/she’s debating against.
Having said that, it would be an absolute shit show both ways, one struggling to talk coherently, the other ones spewing epic levels of bullshit, and most likely nothing of value coming of it at all.
But stil, having a presidential election without any debates would be the final nail in the coffin of America, as it’s supposed to be.
Because we Citizens need ways to evaluate the people who are running for office to decide which one you want to give her a vote to.
You’ve had plenty of time to do so for both candidates, as both have recently held office.
Name one presidential election cycle where no debates were done in modern times.
This is moving the goal posts, and a bad way to evaluate the necessity of a given debate.
It would be immoral for someone running for office to not put themselves up for evaluation via debates. No one is owed blind loyalty.
I’m not suggesting blind loyalty. It just seems odd that you’re trying to say the public won’t have a chance to evaluate the options when that clearly isn’t the case. Trump held office from 2016 to 2020, Biden from 2020 to 2024.
If anybody doesn’t already know what these guys are about, then a debate won’t solve that, as they already pay too little attention.
And besides that, the immorality of platforming insurectionists far outweighs whatever immorality could arrive in the form your suggesting.
Honestly I would do it, then invite the secret third contestant Nimarata Nikki Haley, and let the two of them kick each other’s ass, while Biden just eats popcorn in the middle (or smokes crack takes a dab like in the meme)
Find me 1 single of his speeches pre2008 where his ‘stutter’ is as bad as it is today. There are hundreds of him speaking on YouTube and CSPAN, point to just 1.
You can see him stutter in this, it’s from 1987. You can’t hear it, but if you’re familiar with stuttering and how people are able to work around their stutter then you can definitely recognize it here. The extra mouth movements before each word are stutters.
You know the sad part? You guys are bashing the liberals about picking Biden a man that should already be retired, but then decide to bring in a traitor as the best candidate which is also old as fuck. The ignorance is hilarious.
I just want my friends to be able to own guns, smoke weed, and fuck whoever the fuck they want. Everybody should mind their business, but no, of course most, everybody wants to infringe on constitutional rights, bodily integrity, and freedoms.
Fuck the lot of you that treat this is as a take all or none.
To make sure you’re aware, you know that he’s on record as having had a speech impediment his entire life, correct? He got into politics partially because he was practicing public speaking to work on his speech impediment.
And just to be clear: That’s not what senility looks like. I’ve got an aunt and had a grandparent that went through dementia and senility.
Biden doesn’t sound out any anything like them. Not even a little.
I also thought you said he was a pedophile as well? Or was that also misunderstood to be his speech impediment and there’s no evidence of anything like that today and you’re making a bad faith argument to try and make Biden and trump appear even remotely like they’re similar to each other?
Speech impediment is what liberals tell themselves when they see obvious signs of mental degradation. This must be exactly the same mental gymnastics Republicans did when Reagan was obviously declining.
He is a pedo, unwanted and uninvited touching and groping is assault
You sound like the type of person who says touching is assault but Trump totally didn’t Rape anybody because the Court only found him CIVILY Liable for Not-Quite-Rape because he only stuck his FINGERS in her Vagina instead of his Mushroom!
Debates aren’t part of the election process, they’re part of the entertainment process. And if Biden doesn’t agree to do the age-old Three Debate monkey dance, the Undecided Voter will grow angry and support the Fun Candidate instead.
Or, at least, that’s a theory. There’s another theory that debates are dumb nerd shit that nobody who hasn’t already made up their minds watch anymore. And - much as a bunch of Senators and Governors have refused to debate during safe election years - Biden’s refusal to meet Trump on national TV will actually make him Cool and Based.
You can. He’s a B-list stand up so you bring your A-game.
But Biden isn’t a professional comedian. He’s not going to roast Trump in a game of The Dozens.
what’s the point.
When you’ve got a friendly press corps, you do a debate and let the media stunt on the opposition for you.
There’s going to be a 5 second clip of one of them stumbling or mispronouncing a word, and then the next week long news cycle becomes “Does Candidate Have Alzheimer’s? Here’s a dozen Dr. Oz tier talking heads to tell you he might!”
But when conservatives have their own big, invasive, and professionalized hatchet men teams, there’s a legit fear among Democrats that they will be more likely on the receiving end.
You can’t beat Trump in a debate because thats like beating a chimp in a hotdog eating contest. End of the day he’s just gonna throw shit at you and you’re just gonna gobble down a bunch of wieners. You won, but at what cost?
But when conservatives have their own big, invasive, and professionalized hatchet men teams, there’s a legit fear among Democrats that they will be more likely on the receiving end.
Which is why the Democrats should have put someone else up for re-election, someone who can defend themself well.
Nobody thinks Biden is an ideal candidate. Most Democrats didn’t want him 4 years ago, but every other candidate dropped out and endorsed him in order to prevent Sanders from getting the nomination. Not that Bernie would be the best candidate either in 2024, given his age; the point is we didn’t want Biden, but we’re stuck with him now.
No sitting president has ever lost their party’s primary. What’s more—and not surprisingly—the ones that have faced significant primary challenges have gone on to lose in the general. If a president wants to run again, the party isn’t going to stop him, and Biden has long since made that decision.
No sitting president has ever lost their party’s primary. What’s more—and not surprisingly—the ones that have faced significant primary challenges have gone on to lose in the general.
These days do not seem like normal times to do comparisons with past election successes. Politics seems very different these days, versus how it was in the past.
It’s one hell of a risk play the Democratic party is doing, not just to their own power as a party, but to the country overall with electing someone elderly that can handle four more years of leadership. There’s a very real chance he could lose as well as win.
No sitting president has ever lost their party’s primary
LBJ dropped out of his party’s primary, and although it was far too soon to say if he would have lost, he faced strong opposition in New-Politic anti-war candidates Kennedy and McCarthy. He is on record as worrying about the primary and it doubtless played a big part of his dropping out
Kennedy of course got shot, and the more conservative Humphrey ended up with the nomination over McCarthy (or late entry McGovern), sparking riots at the DNC. The situations and systems were quite different, but i think there’s some parallels with Biden/Clinton vs Bernie there
I think Truman also dropped out rather than fight a tough primary, but i don’t know so much about that
I have to disagree. You can’t reasonably debate someone whose arguments aren’t based in reality. Trump’s tactic since 2016 has been to use whatever platform that he’s been given to smear and denigrate his opponents at every opportunity and to lie about how all of the problems we face can be easily solved if only he were allowed to do it. When questioned on actual policy matters, he spouts complete nonsense that doesn’t hold up to scrutiny, but since it’s a fast paced debate he can make up bullshit and nobody will fact check him. Even if by some miracle the moderators do fact check him, he will turn to attack them and say they are politically biased against Trump, etc. etc.
It’s a zero-win situation. Trump will never lose points for bad behavior among his base, and he only stands to benefit from the increased exposure. Biden meanwhile can’t score a goal when the goalpoasts are motorized to move backwards at this point and only invites unnecessary risk of flubbing or tripping up, which will be played back on repeat on political talk shows to harm him.
I don’t disagree that he could totally beat him, but when the opposition is always playing a game of Texas Sharpshooter, Trump only stands to earn bullseyes while Biden is just wasting ammo.
You can’t reasonably debate someone whose arguments aren’t based in reality.
The point of a televised political debate isn’t to win your opponent to your side. The point is to establish to the outside viewer that your position and your personage is more fit to the task of governing than your opponent.
For a candidate who is divorced from reality, this is typically pretty easy. You point out a few things that the opponent disagrees with and that your audience knows to be true. Then you provoke the opponent into saying something outlandish, attack the absurd allegation, and put up a far more attractive countervailing position/policy that people are more likely to believe practical.
The problem Biden has is that he’s also immersed himself in propaganda. He isn’t willing to accept the rising poverty or the failing liberal institutions at home. He’s backed an ugly unpopular war in Ukraine and a fucking outright genocide in Palestine. His fixation on bipartisanship has left him once again getting Lucy-with-the-football’d on immigration. His slavish loyalty to the banks means he’s back to harping about a balanced budget and gutting popular public services. He’s constantly saying how he can’t do anything as President, while insisting that a future Trump Presidency would be totally unchecked, which didn’t make sense when Obama claimed it in the wake of Bush and now has completely run itself through.
And he’s OLD. Really fucking old. He’s even more prone to gaffs and flubs than he was sixteen years ago.
Trump will never lose points for bad behavior among his base
Trump’s base isn’t enough to win a general election. But “bad behavior” is its own reward when its directed at someone the crowd doesn’t like. That’s what really makes Trump dangerous. If he were to try and tussle with Biden on the debate stage in 2020, an enormous number of people would be disgusted. But now that so many of those people have soured on Biden, I suspect you’d see quite a few of those same voters applaud.
Even then, the thing Biden really has to worry about isn’t the Obama-Trump-Biden swing voter nearly so much as it is the Ohio or Virginia or Arizona or Georgia voter who refuses to vote for either one of these assholes. He needs to rally his base, regardless of who his opponent is. Trump being an asshole on stage matters far less than Biden advertising a future four years in this country that isn’t just four more years of shit.
I agree, my political theories of what is popular in the general public is based on sigma edits. Say something dumb but put phonk or synth wave music in the background and I will agree with you.
The important thing is that you’re supporting some group of War Criminals.
Moderate Rebels. Based Chads. Antifa Supersoldiers. Guys firing rockets from Yemen into the Red Sea. Guys firing rockets from Israel into Gaza. Guys driving fertilizer bombs up to the FBI building on Oklahoma. Guys dropping surplus munitions on the MOVE community center in Philly. Guys flinging pipe bombs into abortion clinics. Guys blowing up pipelines in Texas or under the Baltic Sea or anywhere that lets me fist-pump and shout “You fuckin’ gottem, mate!”
Literally just anything that involves hard looking motherfuckers doing John Wick / Jason Statham shit with the highest body count imaginable.
Exactly, doesn’t everyone know casually killing people makes you cool. Especially if you’re in plain clothes and the footage looks like it’s from the 80s or 90s. I don’t know who shot first in Waco, but I do know who looked cooler, and it’s not the nerds wearing body armor.
It’s not even “dumb nerd shit” these days. Current “debates” are little more than ways of generating soundbites. The moderators don’t do moderation and they refuse to cut mics for those who aren’t up. It’s entertainment and propaganda/campaign marketing, not debating.
The moderators don’t do moderation and they refuse to cut mics for those who aren’t up.
You don’t really need to cut mics when you control the cameras and get to edit this shit in post during the Sunday Morning Talk Shows.
The vast majority of people don’t watch the debates live. They just get the reactions after the fact.
It’s entertainment and propaganda/campaign marketing, not debating.
The future of politics is a new generation of celebrity candidates. And I don’t even know if that’s a bad thing, considering how many of our last generation’s candidates came out of a vat in the basement of some East Coast Ivy League boarding school.
The vast majority of people don’t watch the debates live. They just get the reactions after the fact.
I gave up on any of em after getting annoyed at the complete lack of debate in the “debates”.
The future of politics is a new generation of celebrity candidates. And I don’t even know if that’s a bad thing, considering how many of our last generation’s candidates came out of a vat in the basement of some East Coast Ivy League boarding school.
New boss, same as the old boss. Hard to say that there will be any difference as, since the embrace of neoliberalism, there’s been virtually zero politicians doing anything more than attempting to look like they’re trying to do anything for the populace but are somehow completely powerless to do anything but help their bribers-erm…“lobbyists” squeeze more out of those that can barely afford anything.
America has had playboy celebrity politicians since Jefferson.
And by that I mean politicians who attain celebrity, not the other way round. There’s nothing really “wrong”, per se, with having some celebrity in your politician. It’s when you get politician in your celebrity that we’ve learned bad things happen.
Celebrity scientists like NdGT and Hawking are considered net positives for STEM, yes?
there’s been virtually zero politicians doing anything more than attempting to look like they’re trying to do anything
One of the big appeals of Trump is that he grasps at every lever of power he can find and pulls it.
Nine times out of ten, it isn’t connected to anything. But if you pull on enough shit, maybe a big border wall or a Muslim ban or a repeal of Roe v Wade or a giant bucket of cash falls out and your voters love you for it.
It’s not really a debate when your opponent’s metrics for winning is simply to speak more loudly, more aggressively, and to refuse to shut the fuck up more intensely than anybody else in the room.
Okay, but that’s basically every debate. Hell, that’s the optimal strategy in a crowded field. Meekly sitting in the back with a pile of spreadsheets that say “I’m right” on them does nothing to galvenize public support for your policies.
Even then, Biden refusing to meet Trump on stage won’t discourage Trump from doing his whistle stop Beer Hall tour. At some point, I think liberals lose sight of how important big crowds of people cheering at your approach is in a popularity contest. When Biden shows up at an event, he’s greeted by a few dozen angry protesters, calling him Genocide Joe and waving big blown up pictures of dead Palestinian children. When Trump shows up at an event, he’s greeted by a few dozen enthusiastic supporters, calling him the New Messiah and waving big blown up pictures of drowned children in the Rio Grande with “Win One More For the Gipper” scrawled across it.
Totally different energy at these events. Totally different reception by the party’s base voters.
If Biden wants to position himself as the “Guy Who Will Protect You From Trump Who Is Worse”, he’s going to have to get out in front of an audience, side by side with Trump, and remind everyone of the distinction. Otherwise, he’s just running in a vacuum as a mediocre President during an economic upswing, and hoping people give him credit for a rising stock market without blaming him for his party’s failure to deliver on any of their major platforms in the last 40 years.
Did you miss the 2020 election when Trump had more people at his rallies than now? Biden had zero rallies because of the pandemic and won easily. Rallies don’t matter.
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