Comedy World Righteously Roasts Trump Over Gettysburg Gaffe

People can’t stop cracking up over the former president’s bizarre, bumbling speech.

Speaking outside Allentown, Pennsylvania, on Sunday, Donald Trump left everyone confused when he attempted to explain the Battle of Gettysburg, praised (and invented a quote from) Confederate General Robert E. Lee, and generally had no idea what he was talking about.

When his off-the-cuff remarks hit late-night television on Monday, the hosts couldn’t hide their laughter.

“You have to hand it to this guy: On the weekend before his unprecedented criminal trial begins, he somehow manages to overshadow it with this broken-brained interpretation of what happened at Gettysburg during the Civil War,” Jimmy Kimmel quipped.

cosmicrookie,
@cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

Its already a meme. Interestingly its not the first time he got this quote wrong!

knowyourmeme.com/…/never-fight-uphill-me-boys

Syn_Attck,

Tinfoil hat time… Repeated misquotes like this make me wonder if it’s a signal to someone who he isn’t able to contact directly because his communications are closely monitored.

It’s easy to say he’s just dumb, but clearly he’s quite capable. But maybe he’s just using filler words because he has fuck-all to say.

Jax,

Hanlon’s Razor

MedicPigBabySaver,

Take off the hat. He is so dumb that it’s impossible for him to remember to do anything nefarious, let alone mildly intelligent.

Syn_Attck,

So dumb he managed to find himself elected president of the United States, even.

‘Trump dumb’ is dangerous thinking.

MedicPigBabySaver,

He’s an imbecile. His team and the huge amount of brainless, racist scumbags got him into the WH.

Natanael,

There’s no IQ test you have to take to get elected.

cosmicrookie,
@cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

Its his money and smart people willing to make him a president in exchange for money that made him a president. Not his wits

A_Random_Idiot,

Looking down on your enemies is a surefire way to get surprised by them, just sayin.

Hell, everyone laughed and called him a circus act during the run up to his election, convinced he wouldnt win so no one dealt with him seriously, and look what happened? we got 4 years of Trumpism, stacked courts, the loss of Roe v Wade, and an epidemic resulted in over a million deaths, most of which would have been preventable if not for him and his actions.

So, sure, laugh at him. Mock him… Just stop underestimating him.

MedicPigBabySaver,

Again, Trump is a moronic monkey. It’s not his intelligence, smarts or whatever you want to label it. It’s his team that makes things happen and it’s the retarded voters that like him.

I’m not underestimating anything. The election is going to be a shit show and I’m positive the MAGA nuts will actually kill people on election day.

A_Random_Idiot,

I didnt label anything. I said don’t underestimate him.

You’re the one coming out swinging wildly about his intelligence and being the living embodiment of the kind of attitude I was warning against in a petulant fit for some god forsaken reason.

MedicPigBabySaver,

‘Trump dumb’ is dangerous thinking.

No. He’s a straight up brain dead moron. It’s the MAGA machine that is the problem.

A_Random_Idiot,

And none of your petulant flailing has anything to do at all with what I’ve said.

Which you’d realize if you replied to what I said, instead of replying to what you imagine/wish I said.

Literally doing the exact same thing that got him elected the first time, but you’re too far up your own ass to see it.

MedicPigBabySaver,

Yep, you’re a random idiot for sure.

A_Random_Idiot,

Yep. Clearly I’m an idiot for saying dont underestimate the guy who already won once because everyone underestimated him, and as a result did massive damage.

What a fool am I.

You’ve certainly showed the world the depths of my ignorance there.

MedicPigBabySaver,

Good

Malfeasant,

Get a room you two.

Natanael,

He is in fact very dumb.

More specifically, he has broken impulse control (even affects his speech), a small vocabulary, poor memory recall (all these combined results in his “bigly” choice of words), and he has a ridiculously small minded world view and very limited understanding of other humans (“theory of mind”). In the last few years he’s also becoming much more prone to losing his train of thought and failing to comprehend things.

michaelnik,

This version of TrumpGPT does not have enough parameters, so it hallucinates all the time. But the presidential version will be much better! /s

jkrtn,

He kept the stolen classified documents in the Mar-a-Lago bathroom next to a copy machine. He is far too fucking dumb for a covert signal delivered publicly.

There are no consequences for any of his actions so there is no need for it either. He’ll just go on national TV and literally say, “everyone in the hate group, stand by.”

A_Random_Idiot,

He’ll just go on national TV and literally say, “everyone in the hate group, stand by.”

Didnt he already do that?

jkrtn,

Yes. After a full year of saying he won’t accept election results unless he wins. And then we had an insurrection. So it is cool that even to this day we have clowns on social media pretending he didn’t attack the country.

rickyrigatoni,

Why was there a copy machine in the bathroom

mPony,

He is far too fucking dumb for a covert signal delivered publicly

The guy that said “RUSSIA… IF YOU’RE LISTENING…” on TV? Yes, your assessment is correct.

knobbysideup,
@knobbysideup@sh.itjust.works avatar

That wasn’t a gaffe. It’s his normal way of not knowing a damned thing about any subject and just spewing random adjectives.

cantw8togo,

Yes. So Many Adjectives!

spirinolas,

Yes, tremenedous quantities of adjectives. These are very, very good adjectives. Some would say the best ever. Tremendous.

ickplant,
@ickplant@lemmy.world avatar

These are his actual words… or word salad:

Union was saved by the immortal heroes at Gettysburg. Gettysburg. What an unbelievable battle that was, the battle of Gettysburg. What an unbelievable… I mean, it was so much and so interesting and so vicious and horrible and so beautiful in so many different ways. It represented such a big portion of the success of this country. Gettysburg, wow. I go to Gettysburg, PA to look and to watch. And the statement of Robert E Lee, who’s no longer in favor. Did you ever notice that? No longer in favor. “Never fight uphill, me boys, never fight uphill.” They were fighting uphill, he said. Wow, that was a big mistake. He lost his great general, and they were fighting. “Never fight uphill, me boys,” but it was too late.

TwoBeeSan,

The fact an audience will sit there enraptured is the scariest part.

What a dunderhead.

jkrtn,

That’s it? This is more coherent than usual. We aren’t discussing the Air Force bases during the American Revolution so it was one of the better days for demented Donald.

ChickenLadyLovesLife,

He’s like the presidential version of the Nigerian prince scam email. That email contains a bunch of intentional misspellings and grammatical errors because the phishers want to weed out people who can think and reason correctly.

SwampYankee,

“I love the poorly educated”

Leate_Wonceslace,
@Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I wonder if he measures success size the same way he measures hand size.

darkpanda,

Everything he says sounds like it’s being said by someone taking an oral test on a topic they know nothing about and have never studied but their gigantic and undeserved ego won’t allow them to admit their total and complete ignorance on the subject at hand.

itsonlygeorge,

Now you understand.

jkrtn,

The only part in what you wrote that isn’t the precise and literal truth is “taking a test.”

homesweethomeMrL,

Ok but seriously, he’s demented. Not kidding. His brain is ill.

Burn_The_Right,

And a majority of conservatives still agree that he is the most accurate representative of their thoughts.

MutilationWave,

I mean I can’t stand the dude but some of his voters have to be strategic. I’ll be voting for Biden but he certainly isn’t the most accurate representative of my thoughts. Quite the opposite in most things really.

Burn_The_Right,

I hear you, but it sure seems like the people who vote for Trump are fairly happy with him, whereas the people who vote for Biden are dissatisfied that they don’t have a better option. I would say this is anecdotal, but that seems to be the mainstream media’s take on it, so I can’t be the only one seeing this.

n0m4n, (edited )

Compare “potatoe” to Trump’s speech. This speech needs to be played again and again as a campaign ad gift from Trump.

nickiwest,

I am old enough to remember that. My, how times have changed.

Also, remember the time that Howard Dean tried to stir up some excitement among his campaign supporters and was knocked as “not being presidential”?

This is truly the Darkest Timeline™.

jkrtn,

I wish that labeling oneself a “news” network came with the burden of being required to have even the slightest amount of integrity.

RaoulDook,

Howard Dean’s most famous quote: “BYAAAAH!”

Addv4,

Not joking, I saw a couple of excerpts from the speech shortly on here, and thought it was just a meme. Didn’t even realize it was real until the next day when I saw the clip of him saying it. Just originally thought it was just too dumb to say, even for Trump.

formergijoe,

“[Robert E. Lee] said, ‘Never fight uphill, me boys! Never fight uphill!’ They were fighting uphill. He said, ‘Wow…’”

aDuckk,

They were fighting uphill. He said, “Wow…”

formergijoe,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/3af6c43e-725e-4b99-9078-c22ae33ae094.png

ripcord,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

I knew what it would be and yet I clicked anyway.

anon6789,
@anon6789@lemmy.world avatar

I thought I was going crazy thinking he must have held a second rally, because Gettysburg isn’t anywhere near where he was speaking. The place he was at is as close to NYC or almost any part of the Jersey Shore as it was to Gettysburg.

To just randomly go into a speech about how General Lee isn’t as beloved as he used to be is really out of nowhere and how it could be directed to anyone other than some racist types is beyond me.

I really hope my state can start to heal itself if we can whomp the Rs again this election. There’s still a rabid base of these supporters though, but they’ve been laying a bit low. I’ve been seeing signs up all over for Mark Houck instead of Trump, so I looked up who this guy was and he twice assaulted a 72-year-old abortion clinic escort.

Houck was accused of physically assaulting Bruce Love, a 72-year-old clinic escort, in October 2021. Love was attempting to escort two patients exiting the Philadelphia clinic when Houck “forcefully shoved” him to the ground, according to the Justice Department. On a separate occasion, Houck allegedly verbally confronted the escort and shoved him to the ground outside the clinic. Love sustained injuries that required medical attention.

However, Houck said he spoke outside of abortion clinics each week and sometimes brought his 12-year-old son along. He said he shoved Love after the clinic escort invaded his son’s personal space and yelled at him.

This is who the Rs are trying to get to push out their long term somewhat moderate current Republican rep.

Vote 'em out, me boys!

homesweethomeMrL,

DON’T FIGHT UPHILL ME BOYS!

such a famous quote, delivered with all the gravitas that it warrants

EmpathicVagrant,

I took it as him saying the quote he was referencing - Don’t fight uphill - and directing it to his ‘boys’.

noride,

When was the last time you heard someone say ‘me boys’ who wasn’t Scottish or a 16th century pirate?

Chocrates,

Sponge boy me bob!

Semi_Hemi_Demigod,
@Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

Ted “Ten Inch Cock” Hitchcock on Shoresy says “me boys” as part of his Newfie accent

RGB3x3,

I think I came across a pirate last year who said it, but it turned out to be someone walking to a costume party.

Hazzia,

I ran into a pirate who said it recently as well. I was transporting a shipment off the coast of Somalia when my ship was come upon by a speedboat full of armed somali men. They boarded quickly and tied me and the rest of the crew to the railings. To the sound of a “thunk, think, thunk” up the plank, the men lined up on either side, guns at the ready. Over the deck comes this massive, 7 foot tall white man with a long, scratchy looking beard, wearing a tricorn cap, a long, raggedy coat, and a parrot upon his shoulder. Looking down, I was able to see the thunking was coming from the walk of his peg leg.

“Yarrrr, what be the situation me boys?” Said the large man. One of the armed men spoke to him in a language I didn’t understand, though that seemed to be no trouble for the bearded giant. “Aye then, let’s load’er up 'fer we’re sent to dance with Jack Ketch!”

They stole 5 crates of oranges and then left.

yuri,

God, for some reason I was fully bought in until you mentioned the pegleg. You could be pirate-shittymorph.

bradorsomething,

Sir, I come here an honest man of property with a dowery of five chickens, and I ask for your post’s hand in marriage.

Hazzia,

Throw in a few oranges and we have a deal

SlopppyEngineer,

It’s like the Democrat version of Let’s go Brandon.

homesweethomeMrL,

Let’s Go Brandon is the Democratic version. Now.

samus12345,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

https://i.redd.it/4gi4q5ax6ve81.jpg

BrokenGlepnir,

The quote he made up reeks of lost cause mentality. The idea that Lee lost because his generals didn’t follow his grand wisdom has been around since right after the war. There was a southern journalist who lost a defamation case to a general he claimed didn’t adhere to orders. I think some lost cause circles still bring it up. Despite winning the case the guy was military not pr, and didn’t know how to use the money to repair his reputation from a guy who professionally spreads information (disinformation in this case).

homesweethomeMrL,

HE’S NOT IN FAVOR ANYMORE. ANY WHITE PEOPLE BODY NOTICE THAT LATELY? NOT IN FAVOR.

BolexForSoup, (edited )
BolexForSoup avatar

This trend of headlines where it’s like “people can’t get enough of…” and “people can’t stop…” are so I don’t know, patronizing? It feels so forced and weirdly talking down to the audience. I can’t quite describe it but I don’t like it.

It wants me to cheer along and join this theoretical chorus of people I guess?

Edit: to be clear, I think Trump is a dipshit and a bigot. His Gettysburg gaff is totally worth pointing out. I just don’t like this style of headlines

admiralteal,

It's normally a way to hide the fact that a news article is being written about a handful of tweets from random schmucks. That is, that the contents of the article are not news and not worthy of report.

In this case they said "comedy world". Which is still... really fucking lazy. If the names aren't recognizable, it's not news, and if they are, list a few of them.

They want to say it was all the late night hosts? Then say it. Say it was Stewart, Colbert, Kimmel, and others... and both Kimmel and Colbert has nightly shows that need to fill a lot of time, so is it really that notable that they cracked wise about it?

Or just... report on the incoherent and ridiculous speech. Make your own jokes. Have your own take.

BolexForSoup,
BolexForSoup avatar

I definitely get the intention and it’s just the next step from “such and such SLAMMED for this and that.”
It’s just irritating at this point lol

Kalkaline,
@Kalkaline@leminal.space avatar

What exactly do people see in Trump? He’s got no idea what happened at Gettysburg, why even bring it up?

aibler,

He’s the red team pick, so the red team likes him. No different from whoever the blue team pick is for the blue team. I know this seems simplistic and stupid. The reason it seems that way is because it is, in fact, simplistic and stupid.

jkrtn,

LMK when the blue team guys are taking campaign notes from Nazi Germany, selling classified documents to America’s adversaries, or committing insurrections and then we can bothsides this one.

aibler,

Maybe you sure worry about understanding one side before trying to stretch your brain to something as big as “both sides”. You are miles away from being able to contribute anything resembling an constructive discussion, hop back on csgo or whatever bs you’re flushing your life away with.

jkrtn,

You became extremely mad because all you have available is the “both sides” shit. It falls apart when you notice one of the side is literally insurrectionists trying to dismantle the country. You then fall back to insults because you have nothing of substance to say.

aibler,

Sorry if I hurt your feelings. Not everybody who can see the world isn’t black and white is wrong. At least you are trying.

aibler,

Will do. I’m sure 10,000+ dead Gazan kids agree with your perfect blue hypothesis. Nobody is perfect you ignorant, self-righteous fool. Just because it’s impossible to see anything when your licking the insides of your own small intestine, doesn’t mean nothing is happening. Here’s an image of what your infallible blue team is spending money on since words seem to be a bit tough for you to grasp.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/1e84f6a7-9be4-45da-a6ca-acee77dbf4a6.jpeg

jkrtn,

Yeah I’m sure “finish the job” “Muslim ban” Donald would have done a much better job with this conflict. Repubs are going to expand this genocide the first chance they get.

aibler,

Ya know what, I bet he would have done a worse job. Believe it or not, it is possible for someone to simultaneously not like multiple options. I know, crazy, right? This is what you have to look forward to if you ever start thinking for yourself, you’ll be able to actually have a nuanced point of view. It’s unlikely that you will though, because first you’re going to have to confront the fact that maybe you and your team aren’t always perfect.

jkrtn,

So you’re the bothsideser pretending it is a team sport but as soon as someone points out one side is rationally choosing the less awful option you scamper away screeching insults. I mean, you admitted you were incorrect several time already, good enough for me. Not worth trying to get you to calm down and think about what you’re writing.

aibler,

Your reading compression is very bad. I don’t even know what you are taking as me admitting that I was wrong about. Maybe I did, I don’t know, I don’t see change of opinions as something to be ashamed of. I’m not surprised that you see that as a bad thing or as a way to try to attack someone.

Even outside of politics, the realisation that you can be something other than 100%/0% on views in general, will help you tremendously at being able to get a more realistic view of the world. I understand that it can seem simpler to just go all in on things, but simpler isn’t always better.

Talaraine,

I don't know why you're getting downvotes, it's true. The DNC and RNC railroad unfit picks to the ballot every damn time based on criteria that are NOT GOOD FOR YOU, ONLY THEM. All y'all who don't see this are blind.

I agree with CaptainSpaceman. Choose CHOICE!

BolexForSoup,
BolexForSoup avatar

What have you done the last 3.5 years to bring about more choices? Because I sure see a lot of people like you come the general every four years. Then y’all quietly slink off and completely disengage from politics the rest of the time and wonder why the two parties keep putting up people you don’t like.

Third parties are super guilty of this, and as much as I am loathe to admit it, the libertarian party is the only exception. They actually go for local and state offices, and they have had some success. Because they actually put in the work.

Talaraine,

That's some pretty bold assumptions there, chief. I went libertarian too, for a while, until I woke up to the enshittification ten years ago and realized that corporations are just using that party to co-opt more governmental power.

There are plenty of palatable candidates from these parties. We're just never allowed to vote for them because of the current system.

BolexForSoup, (edited )
BolexForSoup avatar

There are primaries, you can write in who you want for an election, and there are a ton of elections that affect you more directly than the presidency.

Who stopped you from voting for who you wanted? That’s a crime.

And let me be clear: I have no love for the libertarian party. It’s over 70% male and over 90% white, which speaks volumes. They’re Republicans who want to simplify everything to nothing and ignore reality. But they do actually try to win elections unlike any other third party, so they get a tiny bit of my respect specifically there.

admiralteal,

Oh, he's getting downvotes for being a bothsider.

The dems have changed profoundly between Obama and Biden. Doesn't even take any kind of deep political knowledge to see that. No, they haven't become a revolutionary socialist party, but sorry, democracy doesn't mean getting exactly what you want all the time. The party is vastly different. Maybe not as different as the Republicans from Bush to Trump, where they abandoned all pretense of Liberalism and switched to being a fascist cult of personality, but different nevertheless.

The bothsiders like you and he pretend political parties never change and aren't influenced by their voter at all, contrary to evidence that anyone who had even PRETENDED to follow news and politics during their life would have seen. Then use that complete nonsense premise to justify the argument that it doesn't matter who you vote for, it's all the same, you shouldn't bother.

It's just a brain-dead political take. One that actively and constantly suppresses political turnout, hands elections to the far right, and prevents the exact progress you claim you want.

Talaraine, (edited )

You're interpreting my take as brain dead when you haven't read it. These parties do have better candidates and they never make it to the ballot. The DNC and RNC are directly to blame.

admiralteal,

You jumped into this comment tree defending someone claiming elections are meaningless team sports.

aibler,

Hey silent downvoters, nobody is surprised that you can’t come up with a rebuttal that you’re not too embarrassed to even anonymously type. At least dip your toe in the water to see how having dignity feels. It may not be as uncomfortable as you fear. Stand up for what you “believe”.

YeetPics,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

K

BolexForSoup,
BolexForSoup avatar

“Debate me, cowards!”

homesweethomeMrL,

Fart

protist,

Lmao please, there are political conversations literally all over Lemmy. There are only so many times one can type out a response to some troll repeating the demonstrably false line “both sides are the same.” You assuming your tired thought is worth more than a downvote…the vicarious embarrassment is painful

aibler,

Do you genuinely think you would vote for Biden if they told you to vote for someone else? Do you honestly, feel deep down, that you are choosing who you support so strongly? Is that truly your subjective experience? I’m genuinely curious.

The idiocy here is too thick to spread on magma. They told you “you like biden” so you say “I like biden. Anyone who insults biden is an idiot. This was my own thought because I’m so smart.”. Guess what. They did that to the red team too, and it worked equally well on those morons. This isn’t a mystery. They just know you are an idiot. That’s all.

Socsa,

Correct, nobody has agency except for you, because you are special.

aibler,

Believe it or not, there are actually quite a few other people that see how awful the two party system is. You just wouldn’t guess it by looking at all the mindless red and blue(mainly blue) knights galloping around here. It doesn’t have to be that everyone just gets assigned a guy and then they go about pretending how they love the guy oh so very very much.

TheRealKuni,

Believe it or not, there are actually quite a few other people that see how awful the two party system is. You just wouldn’t guess it by looking at all the mindless red and blue(mainly blue) knights galloping around here. It doesn’t have to be that everyone just gets assigned a guy and then they go about pretending how they love the guy oh so very very much.

Of course having only two major parties is awful. No fucking shit. We all know that. First-past-the-post is a terrible voting system and needs to go.

But we also live in this thing called “the real world.” Here in the real world, we can’t do anything about FPTP or the two-party system in time for the 2024 election. In the real world, we’re facing a situation where one of two ancient men will be president. One of them is a fascist rapist, the other is a relatively standard politician.

In the real world, the last time the fascist was in power he managed to secure a 6/9 majority on the US Supreme Court. He managed to undo decades of regulatory work. He tried to torch the post office so it could be spun off and privatized. He tried to ban Muslims from entering the country. He moved the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, and would absolutely be worse for Gaza than Biden.

The choice between these two men is one where there is a clearly superior choice. Pretending that because both are distasteful you’re somehow superior for voting third party is absurd. Trump is so significantly worse than Biden that voting third party is a stupid, naive move that reflects a lack of understanding.

aibler,

Wow. Finally, someone can admit that Biden is also an awful choice(just a less awful choice). It’s not so hard to actually speak your mind. Now, if you were to do this at the beginning of a thread, when people would actually see it, you would be ripped to pieces. That’s the problem.

The issue is that people are so fucking scared to mention Biden’s ineptitude around here, that so many morons start to actually believe that other people see him as a good president. It is such a breath of fresh air to finally see someone admit this. Thank you so much, hopefully more people start to be willing to say this stuff straight out of the gate. It’s so frustrating to be one of so few that are willing to say that hating one doesn’t have to mean loving the other.

If you don’t believe me, then try it out in a fresh thread. Mention how awful Biden is(yet still the best choice), and watch the idiot hive mind swoop in on you.

Thanks so much, I really appreciate the help with the voice of reason. By the way, this “real world”/“it has to be this way” stuff is just a thing some places, it’s not a given for all human politics. The more people are willing to do what you just did, the more it moves the conversation to a place where maybe we can start to make real progress away from feeling doomed to a shitty system we all hate.

Good on you!

TheRealKuni,

I actually don’t think that’s true, plenty of people dislike Biden. Earlier in the campaign it was all about how terrible our choices are. But the conversation has changed, and now if you don’t mention the “he’s the best choice” part, people will assume you’re part of the “vote third-party-because-both-sides-are-the-same” troll brigade that’s flooded the internet lately, which clearly either doesn’t understand FPTP, or (more likely) does understand and wants Trump to win.

that so many morons start to actually believe that other people see him as a good president.

To be fair, he’s not a terrible president. He’s managed to get some stuff done despite an obstructionist Congress. I wish he were farther to the left, and I wish he didn’t have the fairly awful history that comes to most career politicians. Also supporting the Israeli genocide is horrible, though given how fervently he would be attacked were he not to support them, it’s difficult. Politically he can’t really win (though of course ethically he’s absolutely doing the wrong thing).

I don’t like him. But we’ve had far worse presidents.

By the way, this “real world”/“it has to be this way” stuff is just a thing some places, it’s not a given for all human politics.

No shit, but it absolutely applies to this conversation and this topic and the importance of this election. Context matters.

aibler,

I’m on the internet a lot, especially around lemmy, and I have yet to find anyone who is suggesting it is a good idea to vote 3rd party. There is just a bunch of people that take any sign of someone not absolutely loving biden as “Both Sides BS”. I think it must be all these drama queen biden cult followers that make it seem like there is this evil “both sides” boogeymen running around, but thats just their reactions, not something that’s actually happening. I don’t know why really, like is it just that people care about getting upvotes so they are all just trying to read the room and play along? I’ve no idea. It’s just so dumb that it requires so much pushing to get people to actually feel like they are safe to speak their mind on him.

TheRealKuni,

I’m not sure how you haven’t seen it, but I can’t debate your subjective experience.

I will say that I don’t think there is such a thing as “Biden cult followers.” This isn’t MAGA. There are just people who desperately don’t want to see another Trump presidency (for good reason)!

aibler,

I can’t say for sure, but the reason I’ve not seen it is probably the same as the reason nobody seems to be able to link to examples of it.

TheRealKuni,

Well, you hadn’t asked for a link. This individual is the one I’ve seen most recently, spending his time with the common troll tactic of pivoting and attacking insignificant parts of an argument to try to discredit the whole. Here he is advocating third party voting:

lemmy.world/comment/9328828

aibler,

Very interesting, thanks, that’s a first for me around here. It’s interesting to see someone actually do what so many people get blamed for.

protist,

You’re arguing against a straw man. I’m not voting for Biden because someone else is telling me to vote for Biden. I voted for Bernie in the '20 primary, but he lost and threw his support behind Biden. Biden got the most votes in the Democratic primary. Rather than view that as someone “telling me who to vote for” I recognize that is the reality of our primary system and first past the post voting system.

Now the choice is Biden or Trump. I agree with Biden on 80% of issues, and agree with Trump on maybe 5%. I don’t think anyone criticizing Biden is “an idiot,” I think anyone saying “both sides are the same” is an idiot, because the difference between their political positions is incredibly stark

homesweethomeMrL,

Okay, now I gotta know - what’s the 5%?

protist,

The tariffs on Chinese goods, not super opposed to that. It’s probably more like 2%, or 0.5%

jkrtn,

KILL FISA

I mean, we know he doesn’t want it because he is a criminal who is doing crimes. He should be wiretapped. He is probably selling classified documents. He’s right about the law, tho.

Well, he was right. He is backpedaling that one.

aibler,

The only people I’ve seen saying the “both sides are the same” line are the ones saying it’s not true in irrelevant situations. I’ve literally not come across anyone pretending like they are both the same. It is just that so many people are so embarrassed by their own candidate that that’s the only thing they can think of to say. It is awful that the best thing Biden supporters can find about Biden is that he isn’t Trump. That is pathetic.

aibler,

Wow, I wonder if someday people like you are going to evolve out of repeating that one line whenever anyone critics the blue team. Seriously, we get it, everybody understands that there are differences between the two teams. For real. Now that that is settled, is there anything that you have to contribute? or is repeating a single, irrelevant line really what it looks like when you perform at the top of your intelligence? I used to think that surely there was more to people like you, but you’ve really got me doubting.

Some day you are going to grow up, and it will be on you to form opinions, you might as well start practicing now.

protist,

Lmao you literally said “both sides are the same”

He’s the red team pick, so the red team likes him. No different from whoever the blue team pick is for the blue team.

aibler,

The system is such that nobody gets a choice on either side. This doesn’t mean that both sides are the same. For example, clearly the blue team is better for poor people, and the red team is better for the rich. This isn’t difficult english. This is what happens when you don’t strive to do anything beyond repeating what you think you are supposed to repeat.

AmidFuror,

Tagged you as "selfish child devoid of self-control". It's totally understandable that you loathe people who remind you of how pathetic your actions are. Hopefully, one day you evolve enough to at least be able to see how much worse the world is due to your current form of existence. Believe it or not, your actions have actual consequences.

AmidFuror,

Ok, who are all the anonymous upvoters? This comment was pretty shitty in any context.

aibler,

Whoever is maintaining this bot, you are supposed to tag bot accounts. Also, your bot broke, it is senselessly copying irrelevant comments. There are plenty of free local LLMs that will do much better than the vast majority of this accounts comments.

CaptainSpaceman,

You’re right

Dichotomies provide limited options, so choose choice! Choose Ranked Choice or STAR voting or something

DrBob,

Dude. It’s even stupider than that. It sounds like cynical ignorance masquerading as profound clarity.

kromem,

You asked for a rebuttal below, so here’s a quick one:

You present a clearly false dichotomy.

If your hypothesis of “no difference” was true, we should expect to see extensive Biden merchandise worn by the “blue team” and golden statues of him.

Biden isn’t beloved and worshipped by Democrats. They just think “this guy is a lot less bad than derpy Hitler” and maybe even “you know, despite inheriting a lot of lemons in his first term this old guy is pretty decent at making lemonade.”

That is markedly different from the “red team” who is photoshopping their candidate onto muscle bound bodies and desecrating the flag with that abomination which they then turn into boxer shorts to wear to rallies where they chant for the Biblical destruction of the other team.

So yeah, you’re getting downvoted. Because it’s a ridiculous false dichotomy that’s readily apparent to any objective analysis. Even if there’s a kernel of truth in there being rampant partisanship and team identity, the literal worship of the right for Trump is unique to them.

aibler,

I appreciate you taking the time to write that. I think there has been some confusion. Clearly, they have differences as candidates. I have yet to see anyone claim otherwise. I was responding to a comment asking why the red players like the red team captain. I said it’s because that’s who was chosen as the red team captain and who they are told they are supposed to like. Then I went on to say that that is the same reason that the blue players like the blue team captain, because that’s who the blue players are told to like.

It may come as a surprise, but this is not how it used to be, and it’s not how it is everywhere. It used to be that people were excited when the team captain spoke. They were inspiring, the stired souls, their people loved them because of who they are, not because of who they are not. Now, we have degenerated to the point where the teams like their captain simply because they are told to and because “at least they are not as bad as the other team captain.”

It is absolutely insane that saying this stuff gets a bunch of downvotes. This is not revolutionary. Both sides are convinced that if they don’t pretend that they think their guy is great, then that makes them a horrible team member. As a result, we have two groups of people that are both backing candidates that should absolutely be in assisted living, and both groups are acting like their candidates are fantastic. You got tricked, that’s fine, it happens, but the sooner everyone can admit that, the sooner we can get back to not arguing over which clown has the most human-like features.

kromem,

I get where you are coming from, but your analysis is wrong.

The right doesn’t just like their candidate because he’s the Republican candidate, they worship him.

And yes, it didn’t used to be that way. In fact, I can think of no time in American history it was that way, and need to look to places like North Korea or authoritarian regimes of days past to find parallels.

They get very excited when he speaks. Particularly about retribution.

He ends his speeches with prayer music over his words.

And it’s not just that he’s who is on the ticket. The old school Republicans that support him for the hope of a tax break may be like that, but his base is unique in the history of American politics.

You’re being downvoted because your both sides-ism ignores the severity of the present danger.

aibler,

Yes, the trumpers are technically more far gone than the biddeners, but not dramatically more far gone. Not when you consider just how deteriorated biden is. Nobody ever quotes biden. Nobody ever points to inspirational speeches or actions. Everyone who has been paying attention has seen him spew long, multi-sentence, incoherent word vomits. These are not accidental fumbles, it is absolutely “we need to get grandpa to a doctor asap”, the man is not well, we have ALL seen it. Repeatedly. The best they can do it try to find 5 minute clips where he manages to string together sentences that can actually be understood, let alone inspirational.

Any rational person who feels they have to vote for their guy on either side, should be making absolute sure that their team knows how much it pains them to be doing so. By not doing this, and by quite frankly, doing the opposite, they are spreading the absurd signal that they actually think their guy is a good candidate. This does nothing but lower the expected standard even more.

People like to talk about their duty, well their duty, if they have one, is to make sure everyone knows that this is so messed up. What do they do instead? They either silently downvote, they make up absurd “both sides” defenses that make no sense, or they just tell you how much you love trump if they catch any whiff of a side-eye towards biden. Then very rarely, after much teeth-pulling, you might get someone that admits they aren’t absolitely thrilled about having a moldy wrinkled pillowcase flying the airplane.

jkrtn,

What di they see in him? He is a schoolyard bully with opposition defiant disorder, a fraud, a racist, and a rapist. They are looking in a mirror and they approve.

protist,

He lets people who “believe in him” let go of all guilt, shame, and self-doubt. It doesn’t matter if you’re racist, sexist, or homophobic, it doesn’t matter if you commit crimes, perpetrate injustice, blaspheme, or maliciously harm others, as long as you believe in Trump, he forgives you. It’s intoxicating to some people. He’s like the opposite of Jesus. Some kind of “anti-Jesus.”

As far as why Trump even brought it up, he’s a narcissist who has never had boundaries or been held accountable for anything. He just says and does whatever he wants in the moment.

aphlamingphoenix,

anti-Jesus

You might say the Jesus character in the Bible is a projection of the Yahweh character’s internal need to excuse his own horrendous behavior in the same way that Trump excuses his base’s behaviors.

kromem,

It doesn’t matter if you’re racist, sexist, or homophobic, it doesn’t matter if you commit crimes, perpetrate injustice, blaspheme, or maliciously harm others, as long as you believe in Trump, he forgives you. It’s intoxicating to some people. He’s like the opposite of Jesus.

I hate to burst your bubble, but that literally is the canonical conceptualization of Jesus.

“As long as you accept him into your heart as your lord and savior, all is forgiven” is basically the lifeblood of modern Christianity. It’s why you have people proselytizing to death row inmates to “save them” before execution.

There’s a lot of other aspects that are antithetical to canonical Jesus, who I don’t recall having golden toilets or being tried for fraud in paying off a porn star to keep quiet about an extramarital affair - but “he forgives everything” is pretty on brand.

cybersandwich,

He’s the canonical conceptualization of the anti-christ.

protist,

Yeah I get that, and could have expounded more. He is just like Jesus in that one way, but he actively encourages bad behavior and is basically the anti-Christ in many other ways

SlopppyEngineer,

Supply side Jesus

homesweethomeMrL,

Keep going

SwampYankee,

He’s like the opposite of Jesus. Some kind of “anti-Jesus.”

I wonder if the bible has anything to say about that…

SwampYankee,

Being an actual moron isn’t a “gaffe” lol.

FunderPants, (edited )

Yea, the guy is ignorant and is used to BSing his way through it. His wealth has long sheltered him from being called out on it.

“look having nuclear…” Moron

rayyy,

is used to BSing his way through it

When you are famous they let you do it.

Pringles,

Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is so powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us, this is horrible."

Donald “Tiny hands” Trump

Burn_The_Right,

Great speech, Mr. President! <wiping tears from eyes> That’s right up there with the Gettysburg Address!

Diplomjodler3,

Being a moron is not enough. You also have to suffer from rapidly advancing dementia to be regarded as the literal second coming of Christ by “conservatives”.

Passerby6497,

Honestly, that makes perfect sense. Their other darling president was a talentless hack, brainless politician with dementia, so it 100% tracks that they can’t get on their knees fast enough.

billiam0202,

Their other darling president was a talentless hack, brainless politician entertainer with dementia

Yeah, I’m not sure the right elected St. Ronnie or Trump because of their political acumen.

Passerby6497,

I’m not sure the right elected St. Ronnie or Trump because of their lack of political acumen.

Actually, I’m pretty sure that’s exactly why they elected both. Idiots are notoriously easy to manipulate and control.

Etterra,

Gawd I’d love to go back in time and kick Ronny down the stairs as a toddler.

homesweethomeMrL,

To be fair, and I say this as no fan of Ronnie Raygun, he seemed relatively normal until the later years. A jerkass right-wing nut in practice, who screwed up a LOT of things and set the stage for later disasters, but otherwise human. Possibly even personally likable. I didn’t cheer when he got shot, like.

Trump is seven layers of freak criminal mental disease. If Jodie Foster’s Army was active and working today, I’d be dancing on the rooftops.

Passerby6497,

Yeah, it’s only a gaffe if your base isn’t stupid enough to already believe the brainless bullshit that falls out of your talk hole.

fartington,

Low energy, sad!

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