We should talk about good metrics for the #fediverse. Number of … users? Connections/follows? Servers? Posts? Comments? Comments per post? Different apps? Different use cases! And I’m sure there are many interesting others.
@J12t@atomicpoet I definitely believe that the Fediverse needs metrics; after all, metrics aren't the problem. It's how they're used. I believe in using personal analytics so that I can determine what to talk about on the web. Knowing what people click on helps.
@mookie@atomicpoet When and if Bluesky decentralizes, I hope they bridge AT protocol with ActivityPub.
It seems to me like a decentralized tide could lift all decentralized social media. No need for the ActivityPub fediverse to fear and or compete with a future AT one.
I’m dubious AT provides any significant improvements or that ActivityPub fedi wont adopt any that surface. But it can only be good for us if they succeed to decentralize.
@atomicpoet I think another most important metric for social media venues is how deep do conversations go? I’ve also experienced a social media platform which shall remain named ( distrikt.app ) and it has two disappointing characteristics and one rather good one
The bad ones are that there’s literally no conversation occurring on there – there’s posts, very few of which accrue any kind of reply and those that do get one word replies of shallow agreement
The other bad thing is that it’s almost exclusively overrun by crypto fanatics hoping they’ll get handed riches somehow – there’s nearly no other subject matter, no matter how hard I and a handful of other early adopters tried
The good thing is that it has some form of portable cryptographic identity which seems complicated to me
But yes, I think a good social media venue should foster depth of conversation – a post gets many replies, each get many more replies etc, and this depth becomes like a root system (or if you read the posts upside down, like a tree)
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Scaling is such a hard problem. We could eventually see millions of nodes, maybe tens of millions. Putting the UI first is like arranging the living room furniture in the demo house before putting in the foundation.
But I don’t like Bluesky’s approach to focusing on mobile apps instead of building out actual decentralization.
It is actually scary that so many people are trumpeting this as The Next Big Thing™ when Bluesky operates on one node and is currently the sole key generator for identities.
@atomicpoet It's from the people that "did it once already" so they just have to be very vocal about being very smart and that will automatically attract people just skeptical enough of twitter at the moment, but wanting to be slowly guided into the next walled garden.
@atomicpoet As far as I'm concerned, I have ZERO interest looking at them unless they're also distributing an open source server. It's been great crawling out of the walled gardens - I'm not keen to climb back in, just on Jack Dorsey's say-so.
@atomicpoet "It's infotainment is a delight!" is a sentence that has never been uttered until now.
This whole thing is just silly. If I can add an analogy: "We're making a perpetual motion machine and it's working perfect! We just haven't gotten around to the perpetual motion part yet."
@atomicpoet one thing that last few months proved is that people actually love centralization, it appeals to their laziness and not wanting to change habits, and are prepared to sacrifice a lot for a convenience of centralized solutions.
It is scary indeed, but not really surprising at this point.
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