@samabuelsamid, who I generally agree with, offers some thoughts.
@mimsical, who I also generally agree with, is mentioned in passing.
And, well, I have typically agreed less with Timothy Lee's thoughts over the years (particularly on #Tesla-related topics), but this article is reasonable enough.
But let's crack it open and take a look at a few things that I think are iffy.
@adamjcook@samabuelsamid@mimsical I’ve ignored T Lee for some time. Psuedointellectualism at work. Pretending some things can be judged against each other. Performative intellectual posturing.
Hmm. Going to throw up some flags here. This needs a #SystemsSafety perspective.
Firstly, there is no #PublicSafetly value (ultimately, the only thing that matters) in "criticizing" #Waymo and #Cruise (or, at least without criticizing, say, the #NHTSA at the same time)...
They are operating under a complete and deliberate lack of regulatory scrutiny that should be in place, but is not in place.
What should be happening is that #Waymo's and #Cruise's validation processes are overseen and rigorously scrutinized, both initially and continuously, so that the public (represented by their regulators) are ensuring that safety-related issues and defects are being quickly and definitively rectified.
At the end of the day, these firms will rely on the public's trust in order to be economically viable, and trust comes through regulation.
#SystemsSafety is not about appearances or YouTube videos or press releases or expanded service areas or the lack of "bad news reports" or numbers on a page.
It is about constantly asking questions and receiving quantifiable answers of system reliability.
@adamjcook cruise? Hahahahaha. Can’t turn left, can’t anticipate a car coming straight on and has NEVER pulled up to the kerb legally when collecting/dropping off a passenger in San Francisco.
Kyle Vogt and Oliver Cameron (who resigned from #Cruise recently) have zero business being around or managing #SafetyCritical systems.
That is not my way of "vindicating" #Waymo, of course, but those two have issued a number of statements (mostly on the /r/SelfDrivingCars #Reddit sub) over the years that really just made me throw up my hands.
@adamjcook Cruise is in desperate PR mode to generate more investment and/or hope GM doesn’t finally go “y’know what, you’ve failed. We’re pulling the plug”
They haven’t got a decent working product (I’m ignoring the safety side although one shouldn’t do that but that’s a WHOLE other story) let alone anything like the number of passengers in SF to indicate it might become viable at some point.
I will leave you to read the contents of that section because, frankly, quoting any part of it is not really important.
There are a number of issues with Tesla's #FSDBeta program, but I suppose the most relevant here is the realization that an automated driving system is a physical#SafetyCritical system.... and as such... the totality of its systems-level components cannot possibly be fully expressed in software alone.
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