Historian Timothy Snyder asks us -- all of us -- if we understand the whirlwind we are going to reap if we sell out Ukraine. https://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/23878
Everything will get worse if this happens. Everything.
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The major flaw I see in Snyder's text [1] is that he says nothing about the fact that the #ICC's full budget is only 150 MEUR/year [2].
Rich governments (party to the #RomeStatute) should give 1.5 billion EUR/yr (or so) to the ICC so that the wider world community - the global South - will accept that (some of) the West accepts independent prosecution of war crimes. "Might is right" is not long-term sustainable.
@dangillmor When is the financial cost to the western nations such as America too much to prop up Ukraine. ? When their currency is devalued ? When their credit score drops ? I don't know and not saying I do.
@dangillmor the answer is: one more war ended, lots of lives saved.
That's crystal clear, but some hallucinated people are hysterical crying for blood, Ukrainian blood of course.
@dangillmor I support the assistance that the west has given Ukraine to prevent the entire country from being taken over by Russia. But I do not support Ukraine's efforts to regain all the territory it had in 1991. The eastern part of that - the area currently occupied by Russia contains many people opposing the Kiev government, seen as forcing Ukrainian language and culture on them. If Ukraine succeeds in pushing into these areas, it will not be liberating them.
@jmaris There's obviously a lot of propaganda around. But it comes from both sides! Don't believe everything you hear in the Western press, either.
I'm sure there are people from Donetsk and Luhansk who support Ukraine and fight for it. But I am also sure there are people there supporting the Russian side. That's what war does. It turns people against each other.
@Paul_Friesen I'm asking you to listen to the Russians who were sent to stir up trouble in Donbas, who explicitly stated there would have been no "revolt" if they weren't there.
For my part, I prefer to listen to my friends from Donbas who were expelled from their homes by Girkin's little green men.
@osma@Paul_Friesen And for Paul, another example: yesterday, I was passing by the monument to those who have died defending Ukraine since 2014. Among the soldiers there is a photo of a school boy.
He was stopped on his way home from school in occupied Luhansk, and shot dead for the crime of having a Ukrainian flag in his rucksack.
That is why Ukraine can't and shouldn't accept Russian occupation.
@jmaris@osma I have no doubt that atrocities are being committed by Russia. I also have no doubt that atrocities are being committed by Ukraine. That is what war does to people. That is why we should be working to stop it.
As I said at the beginning of this, I do support providing whatever assistance is required by Ukraine to hold off any further incursions by Russia.
@Paul_Friesen@osma there is extensive proof of the former, but very little of the latter. Presenting Russia and Ukraine as equally bad in this way with no supporting evidence is only doing a service to Russia.
@Paul_Friesen@dangillmor I am with you, Paul. Bunch of folks posting inspirationally and feeling self-righteous. I believe you've got the right idea. Stop fighting today and start talking. Peace!
@accretionist@dangillmor That's 1991. People change their minds. Ukrainian governments after independence were very co-operative with Russia. That changed in 2014, when much of the country chose a more western-oriented government. But enough people in the east of the country did not agree with that change to start a separatist revolt.
While that revolt obviously had support from Moscow, I am sure that it was largely home-grown.
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