cstross,
@cstross@wandering.shop avatar

Teleportation: if we ever get them, they absolutely MUST exhibit some behavioural commonalities with a relational database—notably they must exhibit ACID properties: atomicity, consistency, isolation, and durability.

If teleportation isn't ACID you ain't getting me in that booth!

josephholsten,

@cstross I’m now terrified to see @aphyr running Jepsen testing against various teleportation implementations. Just dropping in results of https://jepsen.io/analyses makes for some… exciting plot points?

Eg “When the partition heals, we have a new problem: it’s not clear which version of an object is authoritative.” From https://aphyr.com/posts/285-call-me-maybe-riak
What is this, accelerando?

cstross,
@cstross@wandering.shop avatar

@josephholsten @aphyr I must note at this point that it's a quarter of a century since I had to do anything serious involving databases, and back then it was MySQL ...

lispi314,
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@josephholsten @aphyr @cstross I vaguely recall Accelerando just assigning a new identity to one of them, but I'm not sure if that was said on Fedi or in the book.

cstross,
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@lispi314 @josephholsten @aphyr In the book, I think. (The FAQ for new arrivals on Saturn, which is being colonized to make room for the resimulated being sent into exile by the Vile Offspring.) And now I'm wondering how many more years it will take to get that book out of my head?!

alarig,
@alarig@hostux.social avatar

@cstross Is it the same MUST as described in RFC2119?

VoxDei,
@VoxDei@qoto.org avatar

@cstross Every time I think seriously about teleportation I think about Ilium by Dan Simmons, and to a lesser extent your own Glasshouse.

If teleportation booths work by destroying the original and building a copy somewhere else, it's not teleportation, it's a fax machine. And what wakes up at the other end is not the same person who got euthanised at the sending end.

VZ,
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@cstross Don't forget open standards and universal conformance to them, as interoperability problems can really ruin your day!

Don't even try convincing me to enter the sending booth using standard TQL (Teleportation Quality Level) 2024 if the recipient is using MS-TQL.

cstross,
@cstross@wandering.shop avatar

@VZ Oh, is that the one with the undocumented bug that occasionally causes INSERT statements to fail silently without any diagnostics?

VZ,
@VZ@fosstodon.org avatar

@cstross Not sure, do you mean the one caused by the subsystem implementing backwards compatibility with Victorian pneumatic tube system?

cstross,
@cstross@wandering.shop avatar

@VZ I was thinking more along the lines of the one implementing bug-for-bug compatibility with Microsoft Access (you know, the so-called "database" that silently fucked up the US plutonium stockpile inventory in the 1990s and was only caught because they gave a copy to the Russians, who ran it in parallel with their paper-and-pencil accounting system for a few months before someone said "that's funny …")

hittitezombie,
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@cstross
OK, your local copy is only killed when your remote copy is verified as alive.

I'm not sure that's a big improvement in Ethics dept.

Aradiel,

@hittitezombie @cstross if you don't destroy the old, it's just a cloning machine over distance

Could you mess with some lines to alter someone's neurons and create a zombie army?

cstross,
@cstross@wandering.shop avatar

@Aradiel @hittitezombie Why bother with a zombie army? Just offer a single mercenary as much money as they want, then clone them indefinitely. (Add collar bombs so you can terminate any who start asking inconvenient questions like where all the money is going to come from … or you could run it as a tontine.)

Aradiel,

@cstross @hittitezombie because I didn't think of that and I'm not sure it's as good for a ttrpg, but definitely better for reality

funkula,
@funkula@goblin.camp avatar

@Aradiel @cstross @hittitezombie it's even better for a ttrpg assuming the game is paranoia

cstross,
@cstross@wandering.shop avatar

@funkula @Aradiel @hittitezombie This thread really ought to have roped in @Computer earlier ...!

quixoticgeek,
@quixoticgeek@v.st avatar

@cstross IMHO the unlikeliness of teleportation ever happening can be summed up in one single quote.

"Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes".

larsmb,
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@cstross Wellll having ACID on hand would also help resolving transporter mishaps!

(I'll show myself out. (And yes, I do get the DB meaning.))

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