demofox, (edited )
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my god... sorting the numbers 0-99 in german makes a low discrepancy sequence. wtf.
Thanks for the link @andrewhelmer47
https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/1adux6w/the_numbers_099_sorted_alphabetically_in/

michaln,
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badrihippo,
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@michaln @demofox @andrewhelmer47 works out even better with other languages! seems to be tops 👀

mcc,
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@demofox My hash function is now just translating the input to German

demofox,
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@andrewhelmer47 The explanation is interesting too.
paraphrased "the least significant digits are said first, like "one and twenty" instead of "twenty one", so it's like Hammersley, but in base 10."

WaitForPresent,
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@demofox @andrewhelmer47 It's a completely inhumane way of expressing numbers let me tell you!

ospalh,
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@WaitForPresent @demofox

There is a society (Verein) that wants to change that.
They demand! that the German language changes!
And there are at least seven of them. That is the number you neev for a registered society (e.V.)

https://zwanzigeins.jetzt/startseite

lanodan,
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@demofox @andrewhelmer47 Now that makes me wonder what would happen if the sorting would be done backwards.
Like english would start off like this:

$ rev top10.txt | sort | rev | tr 'n' ' '
three nine one five ten seven zero two four eight six

(note: I know this isn't how endianess works which is roughly what's happening with German).

graham_knapp,
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@demofox @andrewhelmer47 and here in Breton - Breton numbers are really wild

christianschwaegerl,
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@demofox Not sure what's the problem, it's the most consistent approach to count as the graph shows very well.

thibault,
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@demofox Could you use it as a PBR renderer sampling sequence ? 😅

demofox,
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@thibault yes indeed and as a taste of that, here it is used to calculate pi :)
https://bitbang.social/@michaln/111845676204342040

lanodan,
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@demofox
> We have a Alphabet, so we use the full alphabet.

Yup, that seems very german indeed.

lritter,
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KeyJ,
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@demofox @andrewhelmer47 TIL there's at least one somewhat cool property of the German language's weird "middle-endian" number format!

johnmastodon,
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@demofox pretty much you organize your number output by saying "one and twenty", "two and twenty", and son on, as opposed to the way numbers are organized in most other languages ( if not all others!)

loke,
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@johnmastodon @demofox I'd love to see someone make this for Danish. 🙂

ChateauErin,
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@demofox phanpy warned me when I boosted that there wasn't alt text. May I suggest some?
Four graphs titled "The Numbers 0-99 Sorted Alphabetically In..." for English, French, Spanish and German. For English, French*, and Spanish, the graphs have prominent clusters, but for German the plane is covered pretty evenly. A note at the bottom: "*specifically French as spoken in France (Belgian and Swiss French use a decimal system for 60-99)"

demofox,
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@ChateauErin added,thanks!

jens,
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@demofox @andrewhelmer47 So what this is saying, in a roundabout fashion, that in German number words are more distinct from each other, and less easily confused?

niklasnisbeth,

@demofox @jens No, it's because you say the digits the other way around. 21, 31, 41, 51 etc. all start with the word for "one", 22, 32, 42, 52 etc. start with the word for "two". I don't know what the person who did this graph thought they were proving.

jens,
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@niklasnisbeth @demofox I understand that...

It was half a joke, but apparently not a good one 🤷‍♂️

demofox,
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@jens @niklasnisbeth monte carlo jokes are always hit or miss 🤷‍♂️

slembcke,
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@demofox Huh... I thought surely it was a joke, but it seems not. A quick search shows that that to say 53, instead of saying "50, 3", you would say "3, 50". I guess that makes sense!

hubot,

@slembcke @demofox 53 would be „drei und fünfzig“ (correctly written without the spaces so dreiundfünfzig) or translated in english „three and fifty“. In german we have an „und“ between the numbers

jernej__s,

@hubot @slembcke @demofox Slovenian's very similar – tri_in_petdeset (three_and_fiveten).

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