tubetime,
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cross section of a high power electric car charging cable. the electric current is so high that the copper wires would overheat, but coolant flows through small tubes in the center of each wire.

tubetime,
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another angle. the smaller wires are used to negotiate the charging parameters.

tubetime,
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it's tough to find information about the extra wires in the cable.

the center conductor is probably the safety ground (earth).

one pair of wires would be the "metering" connection which monitors the voltage at the DC output contact pins (remote sensing).

two more wires for PP (proximity pilot) and CP (control pilot) connections.

the remaining wires may be for thermistors that sense the temperature at the plug and within the cable.

tubetime,
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another manufacturer uses these connections and color codes. their cable has fewer wires but the blue/brown color code for the large conductors confirms that this cable is for NACS which can handle either AC or DC.

bsdphk,
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@tubetime

I doubt the center is the safety ground, it's clearly not green/yellow (one of the tiny ones are) and all it has to do is deliver potential but no current. The slightest current in that wire, and everything trips off instantly.

tubetime,
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@bsdphk what do you think it is? the connectors all have a safety ground pin that presumably has to go somewhere

elliot,

@tubetime I'm kinda curious about the terminations on the end which separate the coolant from the wires

interesting solution to avoid larger wires.

tubetime,
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@elliot probably the braid is separated out like a coax cable.

jhaluska,
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@tubetime I find this solution both ingenious and insane.

What are the smaller diameter wires for?

ampersine,
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@jhaluska @tubetime
The little wires charge Elon’s wee balls

tubetime,
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@ampersine @jhaluska hahahahahhaha lol

copito,
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@ampersine @jhaluska @tubetime I laughed so hard at this my partner asked what was wrong

mattkenworthy,
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@copito @ampersine @jhaluska @tubetime Dammit you got me too!

c0dec0dec0de,
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@tubetime holy crap, is all of this so that it can support an essentially infinite/full duty cycle? I mean I’ve lugged 4160V cables and they don’t need this (I mean, yes, they’re AC and high voltage specifically to reduce current and the resultant heat from I-squared R losses, but still)

vriesk,
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@tubetime isn't that excessively overengineered though? Since this is DC, there's no skin effect issue, wouldn't it be much simpler to use bigger cables (thus, with lower resistance)?

tubetime,
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@vriesk bigger cables get really hard to wrangle. some cable designs have separate cooling tubes placed next to regular copper stranded wires. this one just puts the cooling lines in the center, which is super cool!

FenTiger,
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@tubetime Wow.

Imagine the potential of this for making "audiophile" speaker cables.

Not only can you sting them for the cable, now you get to sell them your specially formulated audiophile coolant solution, too.

dec_hl,
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@tubetime yeah, there is some heavy lifting required to get the charging cable to your car. Even more when some a-hole tangled two or more wires at the same station and you need full reach to not rip out your car socket 😅
This is only at fast charging DC stations, 11-22kW AC charging is way thinner and not cooled…

MLE_online,
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@tubetime how are the hollow wires constructed? If they were basically little copper pipes, it would seem like they wouldn't allow the cable to be flexible enough to manipulate

tubetime,
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@MLE_online I would love to know as well, lol

tubetime,
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@MLE_online i suspect they use a cable braiding machine. probably the same method used to make coaxial cables, only instead of a dielectric and center conductor, they pass the coolant tube into the machine. then lay down more than the usual 2-3 layers to build up the outer conductor.

MLE_online,
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@tubetime ok, so it is made of finely woven fibers!

foobarsoft, (edited )
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@tubetime I knew DC charging was liquid cooled, at least above 50kW. I always assumed the cooling was in parallel with the conductors.

I had no idea it was inside them.
Thanks for posting this. Someone should sell slices of that in lexan.

Gladso,
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@tubetime I assume they use a non-conductive coolant

dascandy42,
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@tubetime Why the 4 thick wires though? That size only makes sense for DC charging, and that is two pole? Or is this two positive two negative?

Also, lots of tiny wires. What was this, ChaDEmo?

robryk,
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@tubetime Generators often do the same with stator windings: they are basically pipes and distilled water is passed through them. I'm not entirely sure why conductivity of that water matters (after all its share of current will be very small, and it being AC would seem to obviate worries about corrosion). It seems that here the internal pipe is insulated?

robryk,
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@tubetime

Ah, it's at least partially about leaks, which might create a water path between stator winding and ground. See e.g. https://www.nrc.gov/docs/ML0306/ML030650924.pdf

enantiomer,
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@tubetime truly it is the time of tubes

tubetime,
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@enantiomer i definitely agree!

darryl_ramm,
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@tubetime sweet sweet ethylene glycol…

tubetime,
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@darryl_ramm tasty!

nazokiyoubinbou,
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@tubetime I always wondered how they would deal with the sheer amount of current running through. It never once occurred to me they could actually pump coolant through the center like that... That's... actually pretty smart.

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