"A space in which bigots or extremists have come to dominate due to a lack of moderation or by moderators wishing to remain neutral or avoid conflict."
You can extend this to Meta. No, plenty of folk joining their AP-enabled service will NOT be bigots or extremists.
But Meta is. Because they already treat the fediverse as a place where "shot-callers" need to be influenced.
@toon No, no, of course not to either! But there isn't a single bar, either, we have thousands.
Just like each bar keep needs to decide whether they want to end up running a Nazi bar, each instance admin needs to decide whether they want to kick Meta out now, or wait until it's too late.
@jens I think you lose credibility if you decide to shut them out before the service even exists. But I was around when IE determined what html features a site should report, and when Twitter drowned out rss, so I appreciate the risk. The IE/HTML example gives me hope though. And Google also didn't take over email with Gmail.
@toon Gmail is the reason running your own email server is much, much harder, because of SPF, DMARC, etc. requirements that do not actually protect against spam. They have put other email providers on the defensive.
Similarly, WebKit-based browsers effectively control what HTML features exist.
I think what happened is that the dominance here is not as overt as we feared with IE back in the day, but it doesn't make it any less effective.
But then I effectively run a single-user instance at the moment, so I can be very free with that.
The thing with credibility loss is that it's not something the target person loses, it's something the people lose in a person. It's not my responsibility to manage other people's loss.
@jens Credibility is very much something you have, in relation to to society at large. You can pretend that others' opinions about you don't matter, but of course they do.
@jens So you would've preferred that websites block access from Chrome and e-mail servers block all Google-mail? How would that result in anything positive?
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