Incredibly often, it seems that Safari fails to load a website. It happens both on my Mac and iPhone and has been happening for a long time. I think this has to do with my WiFi, but I fail to see anything unusual in my Ubiquiti setup.
Anyone seeing similar issues with Safari, or is this some issue in my Internet setup?
@simonbs Same here. Ubiquiti setup, too. Pi-hole, 1Blocker and Lockdown (I know!). Always thought it’s a DNS blacklist issue, but, according to the comments above, it might not be that. Will try disabling UPnP.
@simonbs I had a lot of problems like this - not just Safari, but tons of other things like push notifications taking forever to arrive, Messages between computers on the same network taking 5+ minutes, the 2-factor auto-fill feature taking so long to get the message from my phone to my computer that the code expires, etc.
ALL of this went away when my ISP upgraded their network. I believe the core problem was they were running what's called "Carrier-grade NAT," but then they got rid of it.
@simonbs assuming I'm right and it was the carrier-grade NAT stuff, the problem is probably just because of the double NAT that gets created since most routers also add a NAT. So in theory it might be possible to workaround it by turning off NAT/DHCP on your router and letting all your devices basically talk directly to the ISP to get their IP, etc. They might not appreciate that, though, depending on their policy. And that could maybe be a security risk depending on their configs, probably.
Some of them hides the fact that the actually have the possibility. They really do not want to sell it to you until you tell them that you are “a gamer and really need it”
@gahms The website of my ISP explicitly states that they do not offer static IPs and then proceed to list alternatives. It's a bummer but I kinda like their no-bullshit approach where they have only a single package you can buy from them and that's it.
@simonbs I rarely use Safari in my Mac but this hasn’t happened to me on iOS. But this does happen constantly to me on Epiphany on Linux using WebKit-gtk and it drives me crazy. Generally I stick to Firefox unless it’s iOS because this issue happens far too often and I hate losing my place or work flow over WebKit issues.
@simonbs I see it from time to time in Safari on macOS and iOS, but also on Arc browser on macOS. The latter shows ERR_NETWORK_CHANGED. I have a feeling it's connected to iCloud Private Relay. Not a big issue anyway, it does not happen too often, and reloading page solves it.
@simonbs A few days ago I had this issue on my iPhone running iOS 16, I have never accounted an issue like this in all of my years using iPhones since the iPhone 3GS
@simonbs@christianselig Try to reload without iCloud Private Relay (Show IP address option when right clicking on reload button). Most often it’s Cloudflare’s proxy servers acting up.
@simonbs The only thing I can think of off the top of my head is that if your upstream bandwidth is fully consumed, it'll slow down your downloads because TCP ACK's will take longer to transmit.
That's just a guess. Your router may be configured to avoid congestion issues like that, but I haven't touched Ubiquiti equipment in six years, and I've forgotten most of it.
@simonbs Almost always this is DNS related - at least for me. Either iCloud Private Relay or PiHole. Give it a try and disable whatever you are using to intercept DNS requests.
@simonbs I don’t use Ubiquiti and I see this 2-3 times a week. I’ve never been able to see a pattern to it but I think @caseyliss reported this on a recent ATP too.
@developerjustin@simonbs Yeah I definitely see this periodically. Someone wrote to ATP off-handedly mentioning it was likely Safari's networking process getting stuck, but my brief experimentation did not corroborate it.
@simonbs Yes, and I also use 1Blocker. I also use iCloud Private Relay. It’s definitely something specific to Safari for me, as Chrome usually works when it’s happening.
@christianselig@simonbs Safari is my daily driver and I don't think I've ever encountered this. Certainly not repeatedly! I don't have private relay on, if that data point adds anything. I also don't have tons of tabs/windows, maybe 20-30 tabs across 2-3 windows at most…
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