zachklipp,
@zachklipp@androiddev.social avatar

Google went from “don’t be evil” to “help commit genocide or you’re fired”.

zachklipp,
@zachklipp@androiddev.social avatar

Wow I just read the email, and the tone is more like “you’re gonna genocide and you’re gonna like it bitch”. The irony of linking to the anti-discrimination and harassment policies is the most “saying the quiet part out loud” reminder that those policies, and all of HR, only exist to protect the company, not the workers.

zachklipp,
@zachklipp@androiddev.social avatar

Just got email from Sundar telling us that building AI is way more important than worrying about genocide, so everyone should pipe down.

Fuck, and I cannot stress this enough, him and this company.

tim,
@tim@union.place avatar

@zachklipp it's so amazingly tone-deaf and cowardly, isn't it? A serious concern raised by hundreds of Google workers (plus unknown more who are afraid to speak up due to the retaliation that we've seen repeatedly) left to an afterthought in a "Rah rah AI!" email.

zachklipp,
@zachklipp@androiddev.social avatar

@tim I'm considering replying to him, but thinking really hard about what I want to say.

tim,
@tim@union.place avatar

@zachklipp see also go/open-letter if you haven't already. (Sorry for non-Google workers, this is an internal link)

zachklipp,
@zachklipp@androiddev.social avatar

@tim Had not seen this, thanks! That prime go link real-estate is excellent.

zachklipp,
@zachklipp@androiddev.social avatar

Just in case anyone has somehow missed the context for this thread, it's this:
https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/17/24133700/google-fires-28-employees-protest-israel-cloud-contract

masukomi,
@masukomi@dice.camp avatar

@zachklipp I contend that their choice to remove "don't be evil" from their code of conduct is literally the most immoral act a company has ever committed.

Murder and war are bad - of course - but a lot of folks doing that believe they're doing it for good reasons. There's NO world in which removing "Don't be evil" from your code of conduct is NOT an unequivocally immoral act.

angiebaby,
@angiebaby@mas.to avatar

@zachklipp

From "Don't be evil" to "Hey, come snort a line of pure evil off this dead Palestinian! You gotta try this!"

aral,
@aral@mastodon.ar.al avatar

@zachklipp @zkat Hint: the former was always just PR.

Tattered,
@Tattered@mastodon.social avatar

@zachklipp Watch what Google, Meta, and Biden are doing to support Israel’s murder of civilians. If you are a dissenting American, think hard about how the same profiling and technologies and political attitudes might intersect at home. These evil people are not your friends.

richard_merren,
@richard_merren@mastodon.social avatar

@zachklipp This protest group has been around for three years and nobody was fired until they disrupted the office and refused repeated offers to disperse with no consequences. I understand that you and others feel strongly about not wanting your company to do business with Israel (though it is not an opinion I share), but it is hard to fathom why someone would stay for years at a company they find morally objectionable, or assume they could keep their job after this type of office conduct.

zachklipp,
@zachklipp@androiddev.social avatar

@richard_merren not hard to fathom why people would stay. Idk about these specific people, but healthcare is tied to work, as can be immigration. And they may have thought they could affect more change by protesting from the inside instead of just quitting and making it someone else’s problem. At this scale, probably (and evidently) not, but that’s why unions need to exist.

richard_merren,
@richard_merren@mastodon.social avatar

@zachklipp we have no idea if these folks fall in those categories, but if they do they were fools to participate or not to accept multiple offers to walk away before arrest. If your family's health and well being is tied to keeping your job so strongly that COBRA isn't enough, and even more so if your family's visa is, it is insanely irresponsible to take a protest this far (no matter how unfair we might think that is). It's more likely that they thought they would face no consequences at all.

zachklipp,
@zachklipp@androiddev.social avatar

@richard_merren here’s an interview with some of them, seems like they knew the risks: https://youtu.be/rz8Y2NSPpXo?si=IS0ZXrcl5Wo4ZbQu

simon_brooke,
@simon_brooke@mastodon.scot avatar

@zachklipp They simply dropped the first word from their slogan.

Brevity, efficiency, honesty, compactness: all good things.

loke,
@loke@functional.cafe avatar

@zachklipp look. You don't understand. There are profits to be lost here. Doesn't anyone think of the profits anymore?

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