inthehands,
@inthehands@hachyderm.io avatar

So…there is a concerted campaign, with Musk as its mouthpiece, to discredit Signal and get people to switch to Telegram. It’s disinformation, but there’s also useful information in it. The useful information is that a hideous, powerful, right-wing crank — or whoever’s yanking his chain — really, really wants people to use Telegram.

We’ve long known Telegram’s security is weak. But now, in light of this new information, we should move forward assuming that Telegram is actively compromised.

inthehands,
@inthehands@hachyderm.io avatar

Lest it get lost in that longer post:

Assume Telegram is compromised. Not just vulnerable. Compromised.

aral,
@aral@mastodon.ar.al avatar

@inthehands Always have. This is just further validation.

pettter,
@pettter@mastodon.acc.umu.se avatar

@inthehands I'd assume the same of Signal, to be honest. You're not safe and secure against a nation-state actor, especially not running software from that country communicating through servers run in that country.

The question is if you're worth them exposing that operation (you're probably not).

weddige,
@weddige@gruene.social avatar

@pettter @inthehands While I agree that it's good to expect compromise of whatever technology you're using, I don't think this take is really helpful.

The assumption that everything is compromised, apart from discussing strategies for dealing with it, just takes away our ability to make informed decisions. We have limited knowledge of the capabilities of the relevant threat actors, so we have to weight the probability that a particular implementation is still secure.

sabogato,
@sabogato@sunbeam.city avatar

@pettter @inthehands always assume communication over the internet is compromised.

You can't control the opsec of who you're talking to. You can have the most secure phone in the world but if your contact doesn't, you're screwed.

All it takes is for their phone to be taken by an adversary and a bad phone pin, and your entire conversation will be in the clear.

Even with Signal.

Don't say anything over the Internet that you would not want read aloud in court.

johnefrancis,
@johnefrancis@mastodon.social avatar

@inthehands assume everything run by someone else is compromised. Not an airgapped key in sight on any of these "secure messaging systems"

NatureMC,
@NatureMC@mastodon.online avatar

@inthehands Despite his buddy Dorsey? https://www.reuters.com/technology/jack-dorsey-says-he-will-give-1-mln-per-year-signal-app-2022-12-13/
Well, most people embrace Zuckerberg. The choice between Scylla and Carybdis ...

billyjoebowers,
@billyjoebowers@mastodon.online avatar

@inthehands

If the Nazis are promoting something it's pretty safe to assume it's something that will help Nazis and is not good for the rest of us.

This should be the nail in the coffin for Telegram.

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