Someone somewhere is already planning how they will get people to work around the clock this way, and someone else somewhere is probably desperate enough to feed themselves or their family that they'll take it when offered.
The technique I’ve used to trigger lucid dreaming is noticing when “static” text changes or is otherwise nonsense… so I have my doubts. And zero desire to learn more because I’m full up on dystopias right now.
That’s a common method people use to lucid dream. One thing I’ve read about is people making it a consistent habit to check their watch regularly while awake, so they eventually do it while asleep. Apparently clocks always look fucked up in dreams, so that’s when they’re able to figure out they’re dreaming I guess?
But yeah, something about not being able to read text or a clock in a dream. Gets all weird.
One of the best indicators that you are in a dream is if you can’t read something that you are trying to read. For whatever reason, reading is impossible while dreaming and most people don’t even have writing in their dreams to read. I do have writing in my dreams, but only rarely and am not able to read it. I’ve definitely used it to trigger lucid dreaming. I also use stuff like, “wait, how am I breathing under water?”
My most consistent dream sign is that I cannot run. I don’t just get exhausted, I lose coodrination, but can for some reason continue running on my fours like a dog. Maybe it’s just being a furry?
Another one is losing my backpack or purse, getting anxiety about how I screwed up and thinking it must not be real.
I usually didn’t either, but the (tedious) technique I used led to a lot more text in my dreams. I think because my subconscious was looking for them.
You have to spend a few weeks making this a habit: Every time you see a sign read it, look away, look back, and read it again. Once you’ve done that awake long enough it’ll become a proper habit and it will carry through in to dreams. And in a dream when you look back the sign will be different - which will make you realize you’re in a dream.
If this is the same startup I read about a while ago… Well the technology doesn’t actually exist. There’s a vague suggestion that maybe lucid dreams could be induced through techniques that are not properly understood yet, and that’s about it.
Well FWIW there are somewhat reproducible techniques, I’ve used them, but I couldn’t tell you how I’ve used them if my life depended on it (honestly, brain chemical imbalances or fatigue might be a prerequisite). I actually got tired of lucid dreaming and started avoiding certain positions in bed, and started shifting around if I felt myself getting close to jumping into a lucid dream during hypnagogia.
I also worked on university assignments during lucid dreams, solved countless bugs in my code while asleep, a friend can even attest to it since one time I instantly woke up to solve a specific bug and then went back to sleep, with him right next to me (all nighters woo hoo).
It can be done. It really shouldn’t be done. The reason why I grew tired of lucid dreaming is because I didn’t feel like I was actually resting at all. That disconnect and peace that falling asleep gives you, it’s not there for me while lucid dreaming (at least not if I jumped in through hypnagogia).
I was often sent flying with no way to come back down. Went up fast. Not great for anxiety. The “focusing on stuff” trick does work, though if I overdid it I also woke up because I tried engaging my senses too much.
This is stupid for a wide variety of reasons, but one of the more interesting ones is that text is notoriously inconsistent in dreams.
A very common “reality check” to see if you’re dreaming is to look at a clock or text, look away, and look back. The time/text will nearly always change.
So explain to me how they expect COMPUTER CODE to work?
I became obsessed with lucid dreaming after seeing the Waking Life movie, around when I started high school, and yeah that’s one of the things I used to induce them. Kept a dream journal and had a digital watch that I would always look at, light switches etc. I did have lucid dreams but never got really good at it and eventually just neglected the practice… about when I started having real life sex LOL
I never got into dream journaling but frequent reality checks and practicing meditation was pretty effective for me. 100% of the time when I wake up from a lucid dream I get bad sleep paralysis where I feel like I’m suffocating, so I kinda fell out of the habit.
Well I never had that… that’s disturbing. I’d probably have about a lucid dream per week and it’s weird how it lost it’s novelty. Same thing happened with DMT for me where I more or less have the same trip every time.
i regularly have lucid dreams but i’m only able to turn it into a nightmare by spawning a demon or falling from a roof. and i get a sleep paralysis every single time. this happens about three times almost every night. it’s getting pretty lame by now.
I have a lot of lucid dreams, and they’re often in a specific city, and sometimes I even go to work in these dreams. I haven’t lived in a city and worked in an office in over 10 years, so it’s some kind of reverse escapism. I can always leave, and weird stuff happens anyway. I wouldn’t trust any of my work output there.
But to let a company try to take over your dreams and never let you escape, you need to stand up and fight that shit. Put them in a never-ending nightmare where nobody gives them money.
I was sitting here thinking how useful a loop to count bananas before running out of time and losing my shoes and or pants before realizing I’m in a large college auditorium and everyone is laughing at me would be!
I posted this in another comment, but during uni I did in fact write code in lucid dreams. A friend can vouch for a specific time when I woke up from sleep during an all nighter, to fix a very specific bug (which I just remembered, we didn’t even know it existed), then went back to sleep. On another occasion, I designed a recursive path-finding algorithm to replace djikstra’s algorithm, all in my sleep.
It definitely can be done (though I doubt it could be done consistently and without actually imagining shit up), but it really shouldn’t be done, I really doubt I was really resting while doing that.
Third comment in this post about this from me, but I’ve done university work while lucid dreaming, solved bugs we didn’t even know existed, stuff like that. I don’t think you rest as much while lucid dreaming, I’m pretty sure I built up fatigue at many points in my life just due to how much lucid dreaming I was doing. I now avoid lucid dreaming, and have started losing the ability to do it frequently (which frankly is a blessing). I feel more well rested now than I did when I lucid dreamt a lot. No way this idea doesn’t just leave you completely tired after a while.
The tradeoff obviously will be that since you’re not actually getting rest, and all multicellular life needs to sleep, it’s going to fuck up a lot of engineers in ways we won’t find out about for like 5-10 years until they start going crazy/dying/whatever. But hey, people are infinitely replaceable commodities you can just burn through like trees, right?
I don’t know the answer to this, but I thought lucid dreaming still counted as getting rest as far as your brain was concerned. I lucid dream about once a month, and I never felt tired after it or like I was missing sleep.
@dogslayeggs no, the brain needs to cycle through four phases. REM only takes up a portion of your sleep. Even if it felt like you were dreaming all night, you likely weren't.
This is really a scam. A sleeping engineer cannot code in his dreams. This is not how the human body works. This guy is trying to scam ignorant venture capitals.
Similar to theranos. They exploit deep ignorance on biology of people who spent their life doing money
Hypothetical situation, if there was a way to induce lucid dreaming and record the dreams as well? Coding doesn’t really lend itself to this but advertising, filmography or architecture would benefit at least at the early concept stage.
I agree It’s all very sci-fi but if they can make a product that works like they say (sending ultrasounds to target specific parts of the brain to induce lucid dreaming), it has amazing entertainment value right out of the box regardless of its work use.
It’s like asking a computer in sleep mode to run a screen saver and pretending close-to-random loosely-guided images are result of a rational creative process. Sleeping brain work differently, for a reason. At that point they should put money on AI to improve awake productivity. Programming during lucid dreams is a scam
Regarding entertainment, there is a reason the humans needs to sleep. Disrupting natural patterns creates only issues
Just think: People having to get help because the job they quit three years ago keeps showing up in their dreams. What’s worse is that they keep doing it, in control but unaware of the fact that they aren’t getting paid, threatened by their in-dream former boss with being fired if the quota wasn’t met.
Staying awake yet unemployed becomes one of their only escapes. They turn to stimulants to stay away from ‘work’ just a bit longer, just a little more peace.
But they then ‘crash’, falling asleep for almost a day, and starting a shift that feels like an eternity, Inception style.
Imagine if you could study in your sleep… Or “watch” a book and be acually there… Hmm that wouldn’t really work for innner dialogue of other characters…
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