so, I learned that #threads can not only get your posts, even if you blocked them (via different servers that didn't and that store your posts cus people there may follow you or interact with you), they can also monetize those posts by showing ads next to them. Thus making money off of you. Put that together with all the genocidal and fascist and other harmful activity. It makes me think that the #enshittification of the #fedi has begun. The cycles seem to move faster and faster. I love it here and I've had many elightening convos and beautiful connections. Today I read that 41% of servers have blocked threads. Maybe there is still hope.
Esp. the neurodivergent community on here is the best I've ever experienced. @actuallyautistic
The good solution is a total defederation of the fediverse. It's letting threads be its own bubble. It's highly unlikely that it will happen. The other answer could be to break the fediverse in two with on one side the federated and threads in one bubble and the defederered in another.
@samid@actuallyautistic Please let me know of of a good one that does block #NSAbooks / #StasiBook aka. "#Meta" nee #Facebook because I just found out @stux doesn't do that anymore and I feel like I've been backstabbed with a Type 30 bayonet and it's tip is sticking out of my chest...
@kkarhan@actuallyautistic@stux
yes. I am sure many people feel that way ,once they discover it. Those people just say: block them individually. And they certainly know, it is not as effective as you will then believe. Yeah it's not nice. But there is a solution. Admins can turn on "authorized fetch." It makes the block waterthight. We need to do some advertising for it. Could save the fedi. It's explained in this thread https://kolektiva.social/@ophiocephalic/111602259275182233
@ophiocephalic thanks for this. So, there is a solution. Which is great. It all depends on the admin people feeling the need and urgency...I hope there will be an authorized fetch-pact... it could even prevent a splintering up of mastodon. It sounds like a great solution in order to make everyone safer and give them more agency.
@samid
Yes, don't lose hope. There's a bunch of us trying to spread the work on Authorized Fetch. We also feel the urgency of saving this space as a refuge for community, especially among marginalized communities! :solidarity:
@ophiocephalic
I wonder what happened when black people came over from twitter and kind of apparated on the spot. I heard they have their own fedi -instances but are largely defederated. Have they used authorized fetch to achieve privacy?
@samid
Authorized Fetch doesn't result in a breakaway from federation. You're still federated into the system, but blocked instances really can't see you. Without it, the current user- and instance-level blocks are more like "super-mutes" than true blocks
@ophiocephalic
I did understand that it rather prevents defederation than cause it. But I probably got this example mixed up. It's just an instance of a community trying to protect itself on the fedi. I don't even know whether they defederated or just don't cruise around amongst the white majority. I was wondering how they have achieved this invisibility.
@samid
Hard to say without knowing about it. All of this stuff really is confusing, even the experts who work with it every day are fuzzy on some of these questions. If there was one thing I could offer to clarify, it would be to reiterate this. Currently, "blocks" on Mastodon are actually more like "mute plus" than real blocks. Activating Authorized Fetch turns "blocks" into what we would all expect, actual blocks
@ophiocephalic don't you think a lot of people feel lied to when they discover that all the"just block individually, no bother" that you hear from gagron and stux and others is not the actual reality? BTW I love the treefrogs😍
@samid
You're touching on an important issue which, tbh, I've been routing around in my effort to help spread the word on Authorized Fetch, in the spirit of getting the point across as clearly as possible. But I will say this: The problem here is that, consistently, decisions made at the top of the Mastodon development project have prioritized growth over safety. What we're going through now is the culmination of that. But there are other options moving forward, for forking away into a context with different priorities
@ophiocephalic I believe that the full, both mental and emotional realization of what is going on, is a driving factor for change. I would spose this creates a reality of being betrayed or feeling that way What ever the motifs on the tech- dude- leader side are. Which we can only guess.
@samid
You're not alone in perceiving betrayal. However, there's also a whole lot of solidarity circulating on the fedi right now, among all of us who understand the problem. That's what I take hope from
@ophiocephalic so do I. I also try to step back a little and remember: people will learn through experience.You can't control that process. The value is in the learning. Not in any single physical structure to be conserved.
I see it everywhere. Shit is really hitting the fan, but people also move, they change, they feel it. It's a dangerous feeling though. Like it all hangs by a thread.
@samid
These are perilous times. That's why I think it's so important to make a stand here against the corruption of the fedi, as you yourself pointed out in the OP. This space is a refuge for building community and affirming humanity in a world which is becoming more inhuman
@ophiocephalic That's why it feels so precious.
It's so worth protecting. We have lost many things that are precious. But in my community (neurodivergence ) there is a deep sense of that value. It may be an incentive to confront all of these uncomfortable and scary things, an incentive to make a move.
I love this community a lot. It makes many lifes so much better.
@samid
Totally agreed! Thank you for helping signal boost on today's fight (auth-fetch), tomorrow there will be a different one. But it is entirely worth it. The point isn't the technology, it's the solidarity
@ophiocephalic@samid The only issue with Authorized Fetch, from someone on Iceshrimp at least, is that some fediverse software just doesn't support it. And I'm unable to follow them because of it. Bookwyrm has this problem, as a random example.
@admin@samid
You're right, there are technical issues with it. If we had been prioritizing safety over - or at least along with - growth, we could have been further along by now in addressing them. Hoping that spreading the word will help to push progress along
@the5thColumnist@actuallyautistic
I've been wondering the same. It's an obivious thought. The model that black people employed when they hit the fediverse and many of them didn't feel too welcome: they created their own little garden. It could create two separate fediverses though. But I am not a techy. Maybe there's solutions for that.
whatever you post on the net, search engine results show and link to and people usually see ads in the results. what you're complaining about would apply to everything ever posted publicly anywhere.
I abhor ads. what federating with threads will allow is people to now leave corporate social media (with their ads and algos) w/o losing their connections. assuming they play fair, it will remove lock-in. I don't know why they'd do it, but we should take advantage of it.
@wjmaggos@actuallyautistic
right. IDK why they'd do it. They are motivated by greed and malicious intent. If it does not serve them , they will not do it. And it doesn't. And If it did, they would have found a way to turn it against us. WE are inherently unprofitable and contradicting the web of lies and fear/aggression they are catching people in. They certainly have a goal on mind with this federation. And it 's not to letting people escape. IMO
@tchauhan@actuallyautistic
you can look at @kissane latest post and the thread below. I'm not a techy. I don#t speak that language.
but there is a solution admins can turn on"authorized fetch" it makes the blocking of threads.net watertight. It would be a great solution. Also keeping the fediverse together by giving people agency and freedom. Instead of forcing some to defederate any instance that didn't block meta. It's explained in this thread. I'll ask my admin about it. https://kolektiva.social/@ophiocephalic/111602259275182233
@samid@actuallyautistic
wow .. morphic resonance right here, i was just crying about the potential of the "enshitifcation of the commons" on cabal.chat .. i think its a very real possibility as you say and am back to looking for new / interesting alternatives.
otoh #reversepornblock seems to be a good defense against this monetization angle.. do something to cause threads to block you !!
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