Reminder, Lemmy Kilmister collected nazi memorabilia. It might not be as deep as you think. Half the time metal with neo nazi themes just sounds like a bunch of dinosaures yelling.
There’s a difference between Motorhead, the Sex Pistols, and someone like Slayer who all used Nazi imagery to provoke in a problematic way and bands that claim to be part of the National Socialist Black Metal scene. I mean… I can’t understand the lyrics on an Absurd record without the lyric sheet, but the giant blank sun in their artwork is a dead giveaway
I’ve blocked all the nazis trying to engage with me saying nazis aren’t bad so I’ll just say this in a TLC and block more nazis when they reply -
It’s funny that all the people calling ME evil for not considering the nuances of various people’s nazi ideology… Are the same people who think women should die for wearing jeans, and that people should die for having a different religion, or die for not sharing a skin tone…
Nazis are nazis are nazis. If your world view was so different, spoilers, you wouldn’t identify with nazis. 🤷
I would advise to call them Neo-Nazis instead of Nazis. Most Nazis are dead and Neo-Nazis are given too much distraction by giving them this easy excuse.
Per Capita, in total, Per capita per year, or total per year? Each of these 4 types has a different answer, and the Nazis were higher in nearly every metric of slaughter.
The US is bad. The US has never been fully fascist, despite flirting with it. Nazi Germany was perhaps the most evil and oppressive country to ever exist in history, and certainly was for the 20th century.
What exactly is your point? Nazis are bad, but so is the US? I don’t think too many people on Lemmy are fans of the US, but to insinuate that the Nazis are somehow more palatable by being compared to the US is absurd.
It’s all strange. What’s the point? “Hmmm, you think Nazis are bad? Have you considered that other countries are bad but significantly less bad? Checkmate!” It’s just terminally online.
I’m always interested in a decent discussion or thought experiment though, even if I completely disagree with the other person. 99% are so lazy nowadays it’s not even interesting reading their copy/paste comments that have been recycled for the last decade
Odd to call it “winning,” but the answer is “historical total.” The US has murdered tens of millions more over its several hundred year history than Nazi Germany killed in the less than half a century it existed.
It isn’t sanity to pretend that hundreds of years of brutal history are equally comparable to an extremely condensed period of the single most brutal country to exist in modern history. Nazism is far more evil than liberalism, even if liberalism is still inevitably evil.
Why? You keep trying to dodge that your central point is that people should stop saying Nazis are bad, because the US exists. It’s absurd and nothing more needs to be said, you aren’t willing to engage in fair or meaningful convo
My central point is that it’s complicated. Because reality is complicated. And the difference between a nazi and a regular person is much smaller than you think.
It’s an irrelevant question leading into a off topic point that you’d like to make. If you’d like to deliver a point, go ahead and comment it. Not my job to try and land your point for you though.
If the bar for being a Nazi is merely killing people many of us would be Nazis. Personally I think nazihood has more to do with a wish to genocide (the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.).
I think people who defend nazis, their right to believe in nazi ideology, and argue that nazis are overall fine people are nazis or nazi apologists which are equally unwelcome in my circles and consciousness. Sorry, I’m not going to feel bad for hurting nazi feelings.
You can reply to this and “um actually” all you want about nazis, but if you’re pro-nazi, I’m gonna block you. Easy peasy.
Check Talia Levin’s book, Culture Warlords. She spent a year undercover online as a far-right personality and wrote about the encounters she experienced. It was a rough time, clearly. She’s in the punch-a-nazi camp and reading her book landed me there at the end.
Yeah I’m economically far left but socially I lean a little further right, which has gotten me called a nazi before, which is ridiculous if you actually know me haha
To be fair, understanding the damage of hierarchy economically while simultaneously rejecting intersectionality and upholding it socially is an extremely fringe view to have. Socialists with conservative social views are very rare in developed countries and online.
Tldr I’m a pantheist who believes there are simply too many people on planet earth and I’m also very intolerant towards most religions, I guess that would make you want to call me an ecofascist which I don’t really identify with either, but it’s a lot less infuriating than being called a nazi
Isn’t it funny how when you add context, “maybe Canada is taking in too many immigrants at once” turns into “yea, I’m probably better described as an ecofascist even if I don’t like the way that sounds, and I am intolerant and believe in overpopulation?”
All I’m saying is that my suspicion was a lot closer to being correct. Ecofascism is far closer to Nazism than mere “immigration too quick” ploys, and it makes sense to call you a fascist in that context.
Maybe reconsider your positions if they even put you in the vicinity of fascism? Just a hint.
Since when did disagreeing with the idea that the Earth is currently at or reaching overpopulation levels equivalent to thinking that those levels don’t exist?
You could move far, far away from Nazism and Ecofascism, and join EcoMarxists. No intolerance, no lack of intersectionality, and a true leftist movement, rather than a far-right fascist movement.
Religion is either just a cult or a business and we should be intolerant towards it just as much as Nazism imo. I am tolerant towards most things but if you believe in a man in the sky I am going to think less of you
I think we are already overpopulated, it’s easy to see from the biodiversity the planet is losing. If there were a button I could press that would kill myself and millions of other people without discrimination or pain I would press it, but that’s an impossible idea
You remind me of apologists who argue somebody can’t be a nazi even though they spout the ideology and use the language, because they aren’t on record saying “I heart Hitler” three times in a mirror.
It’s not coincidence, there’s alot more nazis running around on some nazi shit. By the way in case you didn’t know, while I don’t recall it coming up in the music (I have a Burzum CD around here somewhere) but - Burzum/Varg was increasingly on some nazi/white nationalist shit, so it’s not some “fuckin LiBrUlZ” conspiracy to call everybody a nazi, you were just wearing a shirt associated with nazi shit. 🤷
I know who varg is. It’s impossible to listen to black metal and entirely avoid this kind of thing. I was wearing a hvis lyset tar oss shirt, there are no such themes on the album, and I bought the shirt way before varg went full nazi on YouTube (it’s counterfeit anyway so he got nothing from me)
The only black metal I avoid are ones where nazi themes are explicitly in the lyrics
Do digging on the people behind any black metal band and you’ll probably find something similar, it’s extreme music made by extreme people
You’re missing the point - you weren’t called a nazi cause you were wearing a sccarryy black metal tee. You were called a nazi for wearing a nazi’s tee.
Whatevs, you’ve made it abundantly clear that you’re being intentionally obtuse in defense of nazis so I’m over it. Bye Felicia.
Also, just to see if they have even the tiniest bit of plausible deniability, I checked out Midgard’s shop. There’s overtly white supremacist shit ALL OVER the place.
It’s not like these people accidentally supported a band with reprehensible beliefs behind the scenes. It’s not like a totally normal music shop turned out to be a front for white supremacists. There’s note even any serious argument about “separating art from the artist.” The leak includes what people bought, and you can tell when someone bought overtly white supremacist music. And even if they didn’t, and the band or album name doesn’t give anything away, what’s it doing at the Nazi store? Why isn’t it streaming, or on Bandcamp, or self-distributed? These customers still had to know there’s an obscure Nazis music store, what it’s called and where to find it, confirm that it’s a Nazi store the moment they went there, and still give them money and their address to place a mail order. Oh, some of them aren’t native English speakers? Then that just makes it even more damning that they did all this with a language barrier in place!
Plus, just look at the apologists in this thread. They’re fucking cowards. They can’t just come out with their beliefs, so they’re just asking questions, deflecting from the topic. One is concern trolling for the fundamental humanity of literal Nazis, despite the fact that the main fucking problem with Nazis is that they considered marginalized groups subhuman. Where’s the concern there? Why the focus on the people who oppose Nazis rather than the Nazis themselves? Another one could barely resist giving the game away by saying they’ve been called a Nazi before because of their anti-immigrant positions.
The people defending this shop and its customers aren’t serious people. They’re dishonest, cowardly, and stupid.
Fucking nazi’s taking Dead Kennedys satires as straight-faced and messing up the concert scene so they wrote this little song which left very little space for misunderstanding (even for nazi idiots).
No. There’s no plausible deniability here. These bands’ whole gimmick is that they’re Nazis. It’s not some catchy tune you randomly heard on the radio. There is nothing subtle about it. It’s racist songs with racist lyrics. You would have to seek it out to listen to this garbage.
In a country of 124m people that has every subculture you could imagine, I can absolutely guarantee you that there are Japanese nazis. (They were a part of the axis after all.)
Being smart is not a pre-requisite to being a nazi. It’s actually a hindrance.
Also, can we appreciate how desperate and nonsensical that entire argument was?
Okay, lots of them are Japanese. So… what about the ones that aren’t? Why isn’t that person concerned about the one who absolutely understand what it means?
And secondly… it’s still a huge red flag that Japanese customers were going so far out of their way to buy extremely obscure music from racist bands from an overtly Nazi music seller. If an American specifically imported music from a Japanese shop only racists know or care about, covered in Axis power imagery, that’d still point towards being a huge racist.
That user is seriously turning themselves in knots to defend people who buy Nazi music from the Nazi store.
This might surprise you, but Japan has very close ties with fascism. Ever seen the Japanese flag with the rays coming from the center red sun? That’s the flag of Imperial Japan, a fascist terror that scarred much of Asia. Japan refuses to denounce their war crimes, and there are an unfortunate number of reactionary fascists who use the flag of Imperial Japan as a symbol they support.
I’m absolutely not saying that every Japanese person is a fascist, not even close. I am, however, saying that I’m fairly confident that these particular Japanese fans are aware of the Nazi ideology of the bands they listen to, and listen precisely because of that.
You are defending the indefensible, would you give the benefit of the doubt to a p*do ring too? They are fucking Nazis, have been open about this for three decades they sell Nazi paraphernalia, they host Nazism bands. You accidentally listening to Celine Dion once doesn’t compare.
People are indeed becoming unhinged with all this misplaced tolerance: fascists need to be dealt with straight away, we have so many examples in history about what happens when you hive them the benefit of the doubt. I can’t believe this site’s been up since the 90s.
I’ve listened to songs with suicidal lyrics, I’m not suicidal
A song with “suicidal lyrics” is not even remotely comparable to the albums this site sells, which is why they don’t need a dedicated pro-suicide website to sell them on.
Would you rush to defend an album put out by ISIS, that pushed the agenda of ISIS, with all profits going to ISIS?
It’s getting exhausting seeing people become increasingly unhinged and justifying it because “well, they’re baddies.”
Then maybe you should explain your exhaustion to the group responsible for their overwhelming majority of mass shootings, who openly celebrate the killing of black and LGBT+ people, rather than someone you’ve decided isn’t appropriately sad that neo-nazis got exposed for doing a thing they did.
I like folk music and industrial music. The overlap of the two seems to also have a disproportionate overlap of … what’s the best way to put it?… fascist-adjacent music. Imagery, themes, etc.
Am I a fascist? No.
Are the artists fascist? I don’t know, Boyd Rice Douglas P/Death In June sure has had some controversies about him, but he’s not been banned from streaming services. But In some ways I don’t care, I don’t have the time to unpick every lyric, image and interview from the artists I listen to, to make a decision on their political views. I just like the music. Open a public playlist and listen.
None of the music I listen to appears to be sold on Midgard. But does that mean they’re not fascist?
Probably no need to worry. I like folk and especially nordic folk music (as in Wardruna, not Bob Dylan), which is very obviously something a neo-nazi would also probably like, if only for the superficial themes at play. I used to feel a bit afraid I might accidentally like and support someone I wouldn’t want to, but I’ve come to learn that these shops like midgard, they don’t have those kinds of “normal” releases usually, since they as a shop are often also banned on distributors’ side, so they couldn’t even get them if they wanted. At least eventually that’d kick in, as people report the shop to the bands or labels.
The music and merch these shops sell are… very obviously neo-nazi. I recommend you take a look at the shop just to get an idea, though obviously a content warning is necessary here.
This is all to say that unless the music you listen to is very obviously racist or neo-nazi or otherwise explicitly problematic, I wouldn’t worry.
Of course I might myself be wrong here, but I’ve tried to keep up and stay up to date as to which bands I like could be or turn out problematic.
None have so far, at least as far as I’m aware.
They’d have to be very explicit. I think you’d know for sure, if that was the case.
I listen to a lot of music like wardruna, I simply love the mysticism and the atmosphere of history, magic and rawness, but all of the ones I listen to are actively and publicly denouncing their music being used or approbiated by neo-nazis or other far-right movements or groups.
I think a lot of people would make a lot of noise, if one of the more popular ones would refuse to publicly denounce that. Or otherwise dodged these questions. Some, like Wardruna, are very actively and explicitly fighting those forces and are in a sense “reclaiming” some of the themes and fascinations that nazis and neo-nazis used to have, especially in norse mythology and history and their themes.
I am no longer anxious about being associated with wrong music. I think it’ll be very obvious if a band or a brand otherwise, takes a dodgy stance or especially very explicitly supports those dangerous ideals.
Which is to say, I wouldn’t worry, unless the lyrics, branding and themes are very explicit in their meaning.
Douglas P of Death in June (who I meant to reference in my original post) sells (sold?) Algiz Rune pins, and stickers of Totenkophs on rainbow backgrounds (but, he’s openly homosexual) as band merch.
Sol Invictus was formed by Tony Wakefield, who got kicked out of Death in June for being too right wing; and then he subsequently went on to create Above the Ruins for the National Front (interestingly, used to be banned but is back on Spotify), (but now regrets it).
Von Thronsthal use a logo very close to the Schwarze Sonne, and self-published under “Fasci-Nation Recordings”.
You don’t need to be a fascist to make excuses for fascists, but it’s bizarre that you read my comment about all the apologists the decided “he just hasn’t heard my brilliant apologise yet”.
You can drop the “it could happen to you” act because it almost certainly won’t. For this site and those albums, “I just didn’t have time to unpick what the lyric ‘until every kike is dead’ meant” isn’t even a remotely plausible excuse.
I certainly wouldn’t listen to Neo-Nazi music no matter how nice the tunes are, because I personally couldn’t stand supporting literal fucking Nazis and listening to Nazi bullshit.
It’s not like the Nazis are the only ones making music, there are countless good, leftist bands out there. There aren’t slim pickings, there are oceans of good music out there.
Benefit of the doubt is a huge deal. It’s entirely possible to enjoy music and have NO idea of the message, themes, content, etc. source: Pumped Up Kicks.
Edit to add: Iced Earth. Really fun power metal band. Loved a ton of their stuff, and then found out the bands lead was arrested at the jan. 6 riot. That stuff doesn’t really bleed into their music, and I was avoiding them for a while because of it, but at the end of the day, the music is good, and that’s why we listen to music.
Pumped Up Kicks is explicit satire, not an actual call for school shootings.
Let me ask this: what makes more sense, a random, specifically Japanese group of people, enjoys northern European Neo-Nazi music for the tunes? Or, perhaps, the fact that Japan has legitimate fascist movements, and historical ties to fascism without heavily denouncing them like Germany, means fascists are likely to search out more fascist music?
I understand your point, but it’s incredibly hard to just randomly stumble upon fascist music and enjoy it for the vibes. This is a specific level of dedication in a country with higher than normal levels of support for fascism.
If people break the law, we restrict their freedom. Many seem to oppose that idea nowadays, or at least claim to. There’s a certain irony in that. But yes, if an individual breaks the social contract in a manner deemed “against the law”, then certain rights are removed from them.
The paradox of tolerance is about absolute/unlimited tolerance. One can set limits on tolerance and respect the human rights of the intolerant, it's not mutually exclusive.
Btw, the combination of "X people don't deserve human rights" and "those who don't support taking rights away from X are equal to X" is especially atrocious.
There’s no paradox if you look at it as a social contract. If you don’t uphold your part of the contract (tolerating others) then you aren’t entitled to benefits from the contract (being tolerated by others).
The tolerance paradox is bullshit. Source: Daryl Davis, the black dude who converted a ton (like over 80) KKK members by just being a tolerant human to them.
You have to tolerate the person, not the message. You can say “you’re a valid human being” and “the stuff that comes out of your mouth is actually terrible” at the same time. Doing anything else pushes all of those valid humans with bad ideas together and makes a big echo chamber.
He didn’t say we should just say gas them to death (like they’d do to some of us in a heartbeat), he just pointed out they deserve no right to be aggressive against minorities.
I see no issue there. If they want to be decent citizens there’s an easy solution to that; stop being a nazi.
Edit: I otherwise agree with your comment, as they probably need some deprogramming to actually achieve said solution.
“they’d do that to us in a heartbeat” is both wrong (not every person who entertains these ideas actually wants to kill anyone) and also not even a good point. If you want to improve the world noticeably, you have to be BETTER THAN not the same as. Go talk to a nazi, actually understand what they think and feel, and figure out where that disconnect is.
So you’re saying for example a woman gets brought up in an environment where she’s raised as a nazi you think that it’d be acceptable for someone to rape and beat her?
I don’t really think you do, I’m not going to bother listing other examples but you get the point - what you’re saying is not only absurd but it’s clearly not what you actually believe.
All people are people, it’s that simple and there’s no more to it.
The first sentence you posted is exactly the thread that line of thought leads down. Disenfranchised people need to be talked to, met with empathy from the people they’ve been told are The Other. That’s the only way to destigmatize the two from each other.
Imagine, not wanting to normalize Doxxing is tantamount to being a Nazi…
Y’all, at this point if Nazi’s start doxxing everyone else I’m just going to sit back with popcorn. This isn’t about defending anyone its about preventing an all-out dox war, which I’m VERY much not in the mood for.
But you know, that makes us Nazi simps now apparently?
According to the article, activists are already using the information to further their research. So, it’s not out of the question that innocent people’s information was released after buying material from this site for research. Doxxing is also not legal in every jurisdiction, which can lead to legal repercussions for the doxxer and the platform that hosts the information. It also encourages retaliation, which potentially puts the community at risk.
A report is just that, a report. I sent a heads up that this post contained doxxed information. If the mod team is not concerned by it, it’s obviously within your power to ignore my report. If you needed more information, it would have been easy to send a PM rather than trying to make some kind of statement by asking publicly.
Nazis and white supremacists get a footing in government because they organize and vote. If the general population gets complacent and doesn’t vote then nazis poof into seats of power and influence. So what are you trying to say here?
What are the legal implications of doxxing a person here? I can think of a few people I’d like to slap on that list, but it doesn’t seem risk free for me.
I don’t know shit about this band/this type of music… is it actually the kind of music that only Nazis would listen to?
Like, if someone leaked a Pantera fan list, I guess I wouldn’t be on the wagon to ruin all their lives, even though Pantera is pretty well known for racism, shouting White Power and Nazi sautes n shit.
Phil Anselmo did a nazi salute. This made me sad. But the band didn’t market themselves as nazis or write songs that praised nazism or overt racism. I wouldn’t mind if someone knew that I own all their albums (except the one where they were apparently a hair band; I never saw that in stores when I was buying CDs). They didn’t make nazi music, so I can defend it.
I won’t send money their way because of the nazi salute. That I can also defend.
Oh yeah, I’m not trying to blame a fan base over the actions of a group/artist. I also don’t know what type of music the original post is about. Maybe they do make music thats like “we are Nazis and so are you if you sre listening” and then I’d probably be understanding of consequences of being fans.
But that Nazi salute is definitely not the only documented racism by Pantera members, and I’m sure you know that.
Edit: seriously tho. I never wanted to believe the band members were racist or anything. The song Rise was always my go to to show people how inclusive they wanted to be. “Taught when we’re young to hate one another, it’s time to have a new reign of power. Make pride universal so no one gives in, turn out backs on those who oppose”
I always thought that song especially was saying “we must not hate one another. We must all be proud of who we are and turn our backs on those who continue to hate.” I may need to do some deeper thinking about it all. I have not listened to them in many years. Dimebag dying legit hurt.
Such a fucking shame learning about great music being made by terrible folks. Sooooo many rockers with controversy, be it racism, underage groupie fucking, or otherwise.
Thankfully there’s no shortage of really talented people making awesome music these days. May need to dig around a bit, but my Spotify is an absolute labyrinth of more tunes than I can possibly get through. I’ve had to make annual playlists for every sub genre I’m into just to attempt to keep my archive manageable.
Yep. Lot of bands you’d like to support, to buy their music, later find out they are damn bigots, nazis, whatever asswipes you can find. Especially in the metal scene. Makes me sad
I mean, lots of fascists seem to like RATM because they never thought about the lyrics. I don’t know if that phenomenon goes both ways, but I’d imagine there’s probably at least one Neo-Nazi song out there with a slappin bass line. It probably mostly sounds like bad metal or generic 90s grunge if I had to guess, though.
I think the crux of the issue is that these people bought and supported the nazi bands by buying products on the website which is clearly a nazi website with clear nazi symbolism being displayed.
I wouldn’t blame a rando not knowing they’re a nazi band but if that rando actively buys from a site that has nazi symbolism and isn’t hiding what it is then I’m a lil sus you know. At least I wouldn’t support that sort of stuff once I became aware of it.
I live in the larger city right next to the town/urban area where the Midgård company is located. I had only vaguely heard about them before and didn’t know where they operated from. I found a disturbing amount of people living very close to me (geographically) that are in the register. I’ll be sure to spread this and hope to get them to be known nazis by most people around here. Absolute filth… I haven’t been able to go through the whole list yet, but I both really hope and really hope not to find someone I know on it. It would be nice to blow up the life of someone like this, but at the same time, it would suck to find out that it’s someone you know. I’m very left leaning, and so are most people in my life, and in this country, my city and especially my part of the city in general, but it’s of course impossible to really know stuff like this about everyone you come in contact with.
Going to follow this closely and really wish to see some nazi fucks get found out by others around them and have consequences rain down on their pathetic lives.
as a Norse pagan, i want to kick every last one of these freaks in the dick. we need to work even harder to get these braindead removed away from our spaces. a reminder to all our other pagan friends: if you let a cockroach into your home, it will nest.
I once went to a pagan pride festival and noticed that the vendor with Norse stuff had “No Nazis” signs up. Up to that point, I didn’t know that Nazis had infiltrated Norse paganism. It sucks and it makes me worry about my daughter’s boyfriend who is really into Norse pagan stuff. I hope I have raised her well enough that she will punch him in the dick if he starts in on any neo-Nazi shit.
There are legitimately people here arguing that just because you don’t understand the language, you probably aren’t a fascist for liking clearly fascist music that you have to work hard to find, especially if you don’t natively speak the language.
Maybe they just vibe with hate and the fascist imagery is a comforting reminder of their favorite message boards? Just because the only music you listen too is made for Nazis doesn’t make you a Nazi. You being a Nazi means you enjoy Nazi music. Not exactly causation but nearly a one to one correlation. I don’t know what I meant by this. I started with a joke and now I’m just arguing logic semantics. This is a mess. I’m sorry, hitting post anyway though.
Hahaha, I gotchu. On an individual basis, it’s totally possible that a Japanese person may genuinely stumble upon it and like it purely for the tunes. At an aggregate, it becomes increasingly obvious that there are tendencies that lead people out of traditionally popular Japanese music and into obscure northern European Nazi music.
Come back after you type “Finnish metal” into youtube search bar, find a pretty good melodic powermetal song. It’s stuck in your head for days, so you download an entire album. You start to hum along as you listen, but it’s not enough. You find the lyrics in a language you never have spoken before, so you learn it phonetically. You share your discovery with friends and family. It’s fun AND educational! But that’s not enough, you often wonder what it all means, so one day as you listen, you open a new tab, type in “Terasbetoni - Orjatar, translated lyrics” to find…
ThisSlave woman Hard was the work in the midst of woods, Wearing the axe and play on the shoulders, heart burning with desire, Yearning will make you go through the snow, Knowledge of what shall become keeps you strong! Slave woman! Obey my quest, Know your place! Slave woman! Work my will, And you shall be rewarded! Divinely rewarded! There shall be battles in the fields of death. On stake is the life in disastrous times! Man with an ardor shall get what he deserves, So please and serve, or he shall punish you! Slave woman! Obey my quest, Know your place! Slave woman! Work my will, And you shall be rewarded! Divinely rewarded! Slave woman! Come to me, And work your magic! Slave woman! Heed my words, For that is your law! Slave woman! Obey my quest, Know your place! Slave woman! Work my will, And you shall be rewarded! Divinely rewarded!
Individually? Possible, totally. In aggregate? It’s not a secret that Japan has an uncomfortably large fascist subculture. Putting 2 and 2 together as an aggregate makes sense.
Of course, I wouldn’t go up and assume a random Japanese person listening to fascist northern European metal is necessarily a fascist, but if they also had the rising sun flag of Imperial Japan on their car, or hanging in their room? Absolutely.
Fuck nazis, but I have a friend who got into a lot of Russian techno artists because he watched livestreams of Russian women on OnlyFans playing that music during shows. He didn’t find nazi music (to my knowledge), but he did have to invent a cover story for his Ukrainian wife for how he discovered the artists.
However, if you can recognize the iconography in the bands’ merch and still listen, I don’t care how lit the music sounds, fuck you for listening.
This was sort of my reaction after seeing this again while looking for something new on Lemmy:
Just because you listen to rap about drugs and murder doesn’t mean you actually do drugs and murder. Nor does it necessarily mean the artist does, it could be their persona.
But I also know nothing of the band or their music, so idk whether anyone that listened to them would automatically be a hardcore Neo-Nazi or just an eccentric metalhead. Just like I don’t know rap, so I myself can’t pass judgement and it just feels weird to see others do so, I guess I can assume they are more informed than myself.
I was listening to a podcast that suggested the main reason the Nazis wanted to kill Jews is because they felt that the rise of Christianity, originating among the Jews, was what weakened the Roman Empire and caused it to crumble.
For their own empire, modeled along Roman lines, they didn’t want the same thing to happen.
ehh… I see a lot of ‘the nazis were pagan not christian’ apologism; their belt buckles say otherwise. the vast majorities were church going christians who had wildly varying records on which sects participated in persecution but overall none stepped up to stop the state’s genocide, so like catholics, they can protest but I’m not convinced.
Hitler hated Christianity for its worship of meekness, weakness, a dead man, etc, but used it very well politically. Nazi leadership ranged from full on Christians to pagan weirdos. Jews were associated with Bolshevism, and their hard antibolshevim especially appealed to people who had emigrated to the Weimar Republic during the Russian revolution. Communism and unions were the first targets and how they wedged themselves in to power in the first place. Hitlers first major political victory was the concordat with the Roman Catholic church, promising freedom of religion. In the late 30s Catholic pulpits were ordered to recite a condemnation of Hitler for betraying the concordat. The Nazis implemented a Christian denomination and sent pastors and priests who didn’t comply (many did of course) to the camps. One of these was the famous poet who wrote the “first they came” poem, at first a Hitler supporter who recanted when it was too late, like many of them.
They had all kinds of weird views about Aryans, a very fluid and subjective category in practice, and the history of Aryans. There were archeologists tasked with digging up the magnificent history of the Aryan race etc. Some people like Japanese were honorary Aryans etc. Down to weird specific traits of people based on the false premise of race being a real thing.
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