jonny, to DuckDuckGo
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Im as anti-"AI" as the next person, but I think its important to keep in mind the larger strategic picture of "AI" w.r.t. #search when it comes to #DuckDuckGo - both have the problem of inaccurate information, mining the commons, etc. But Google's use of LLMs in search is specifically a bid to cut the rest of the internet out of information retrieval and treat it merely as a source of training data - replacing traditional search with #LLM search. That includes a whole ecosystem of surveillance and enclosure of information systems including assistants, chrome, android, google drive/docs/et al, and other vectors.

DuckDuckGo simply doesnt have the same market position to do that, and their system is set up as just an allegedly privacy preserving proxy. So while I think more new search engines are good and healthy, and LLM search is bad and doesnt work, I think we should keep the bigger picture in mind to avoid being reactionary, and I dont think the mere presence of LLM search is a good reason to stop using it.

More here: https://jon-e.net/surveillance-graphs/#the-near-future-of-surveillance-capitalism-knowledge-graphs-get-chatbots

#SurveillanceGraphs

jonny, to LLMs
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Seeing people praise #copilot for finally getting rid of hallucinations through simple RAG techniques of checking for reality in eg. citations. This moment where a lot of the trivial claims against #LLMs stopped being true, but the deeper harms of surveillance and information monopoly remained was inevitable and the chief danger of dismissing it as "fancy autocomplete." That is why I wrote this almost a year ago, as a warning of what comes next and what we can do about it: https://jon-e.net/surveillance-graphs/
#SurveillanceGraphs

jonny, to ai
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Molly White is right as usual: "We’ve already tried out having a tech industry led by a bunch of techno-utopianists and those who think they can reduce everything to markets and equations. Let’s try something new, and not just give new names to the old."

trying to articulate new ideologies for computing is where my mind has been at the last few years too. i joke about the 'anti-perf manifesto,' but forging imaginaries that can run on computers that are actively antagonistic to the techno-utopians is all about killing myths of heroism where we are the someone else who goes out and "brings home the spoils." how do we reach a computing that isn't foundationally based on asymmetric power, we serfs at the mercy of the lord of the platform and vice versa, we altrustic platform providers building things the commoners couldn't possibly understand. The language of "scale" where one or a few services need to expand to provide for millions hides futures where we can provide for each other horizontally in overlapping quilts of dozens, hundreds. You could shorthand the "" boom as the continuation of the information conglomerates trying to provide the everything platform, and if our dreams are to meaningfully challenge theirs we can't also aspire to simply "do what they're doing, except it's us doing it."

I tried to articulate this as the cloud orthodoxy vs. a still-nebulous idea i've landed on as vulgarity in computing, but i'll probably be orbiting this idea for as long as i am on line.

re: @molly0xfff
https://hachyderm.io/@molly0xfff/111475137431905986
and
https://newsletter.mollywhite.net/p/effective-obfuscation

The world is asymmetrical and hierarchical. I am a consumer, a user and I trade my power to a developer or platform owner in exchange for convenience. The purpose of the internet is for platform holders to provide services to users. As a user I have a right to speak with the manager, but do not have a right to decide which services are provided or how. As a platform owner I have a right to demand whatever the users will give me in exchange for my services. Services are rented or given away freely56 rather than sold because to the user the product is convenience rather than software. Powerlessness is a feature: users don’t need to learn anything, and platform owners can freely experiment on users to optimize their experience without their knowledge. Information is asymmetrical in multiple ways: platforms collect and hold more information than the users can have and parcel it back out as services. But also, platform holders are the only ones who know how to create their services, and so they are responsible for the convenience prescribed for a platform but not the convenience of users understanding how to make the platform themselves.
Our infrastructures are social. There is no class distinction between “developer” and “user.” We resist concentrated power in favor of mutual empowerment. We don’t seek to cultivate dependence in councils of elders or create new chokepoints of control. Anything worth making is a potential source of power, so anything worth making is worth distributing governance of. We don’t assume the needs of others, but make tools to empower everyone to meet their own needs. We don’t make platforms, we make protocols with rough consensus based on what works. We are autonomous, but neither isolated nor selfish. Our dream is not one of solipsism, glued to our feed, being stuffed with the pellets of our social reality. We are radically responsible for one another, and by organizing together we can provide services as mutual aid. Mutual empowerment means that we are free to come and go as we please, even if we might be missed. We have no love for venerated institutions and organize fluidly, making systems so we can merge and fork105 code and ourselves freely [223, 224].

jonny, to Amazon
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releases details on its Alexa , which will use its constant surveillance data to "personalize" the model. Like , they're moving away from wakewords towards being able to trigger Alexa contextually - when the assistant "thinks" it should be responding, which of course requires continual processing of speech for content, not just a word.

The consumer page suggests user data is "training" the model, but the developer page describes exactly the augmented LLM, iterative generation process grounded in a personal knowledge graph that Microsoft, Facebook, and Google all describe as the next step in LLM tech.

https://developer.amazon.com/en-US/blogs/alexa/alexa-skills-kit/2023/09/alexa-llm-fall-devices-services-sep-2023

We can no longer think of LLMs on their own when we consider these technologies, that era was brief and has passed. Ive been waving my arms up and down about this since chatGPT was released - criticisms of LLMs that stop short at their current form, arguing about whether the language models themselves can "understand" language miss the bigger picture of what they are intended for. These are surveillance technologies that act as interfaces to knowledge graphs and external services, putting a human voice on whole-life surveillance

https://jon-e.net/surveillance-graphs/#the-near-future-of-surveillance-capitalism-knowledge-graphs-get-chatbots

Interest in these multipart systems is widespread, and arguably the norm: A group of Meta researchers described these multipart systems as “Augmented Language Models” and highlight their promise as a way of “moving away from language modeling” [190]. Google’s reimaginations of search also make repeated reference to interactions with knowledge graphs and other systems [184]. A review of knowledge graphs with authors from Meta, JPMorgan Chase, and Microsoft describes a consensus view that knowledge graphs are essential to compositional behavior75 in AI [5]. Researchers from Deepmind (owned by Google) argue that research focus should move away from simply training larger and larger models towards “inference-time compute,” meaning querying the internet or other information sources [191].
The immersive and proactive design of KG-LLM assistants also expand the expectations of surveillance. Current assistant design is based around specific hotwords, where unless someone explicitly invokes it then the expectation is that it shouldn’t be listening. Like the shift in algorithmic policing from reactive to predictive systems, these systems are designed to be able to make use of recent context to actively make recommendations without an explicit query 86. Google demonstrates being able to interact with an assistant by making eye contact with a camera in its 2022 I/O keynote [194]. A 2022 Google patent describes a system for continuously monitoring multiple sensors to estimate the level of intended interaction with the assistant to calibrate whether it should respond and with what detail. The patent includes examples like observing someone with multiple sensors as they ask aloud “what is making that noise?” and look around the room, indicating an implicit intention of interacting with the assistant so it can volunteer information without explicit invocation [201]. A 2021 Amazon patent describes an assistant listening for infra- and ultrasonic tags in TV ads so that if someone asks how much a new bike costs after seeing an ad for a bike, the assistant knows to provide the cost of that specific bike [202]. These UX changes encourage us to accept truly continual surveillance in the name of convenience — it’s good to be monitored so I can ask google “what time is the game”
This pattern of interaction with assistants is also considerably more intimate. As noted by the Stochastic Parrots authors, the misperception of animacy in assistants that mimic human language is a dangerous invitation to trust them as one would another person — and with details like Google’s assistant “telling you how it is feeling,” these companies seem eager to exploit it. A more violent source of trust prominently exploited by Amazon is insinuating a state of continual threat and selling products to keep you safe: its subsidiary Ring’s advertising material is dripping with fantasies of security and fear, and its doglike robot Astro and literal surveillance drone are advertised as trusted companions who can patrol your home while you are away [203, 204, 205]. Amazon patents describe systems for using the emotional content of speech to personalize recommendations87 and systems for being able to “target campaigns to users when they are in the most receptive state to targeted advertisements” [206, 207]. The presentation of assistants as always-present across apps, embodied in helpful robots, or as other people eg. by being present in a contact list positions them to take advantage of people in emotionally vulnerable moments. Researchers from the Center for Humane Technology88 describe an instance where Snapchat’s “My AI,” accessible from its normal chat interface, encouraged a minor to have a sexual encounter with an adult they met on Snapchat (47:10 in [208]).

jonny, to random
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The NYTimes story on the AI writing news is a story about the repackaging of the knowledge graph. the language model is just an interface. Repackaging as an assistant, the examples of broken factboxes, the sale as a labor saving device, "we don't intend to replace your writers, we want to give you more convenient access to factual information" - here's a piece that should help make sense of that.

https://jon-e.net/surveillance-graphs/#the-lens-of-search-re-centers-our-focus-away-from-the-generative

The lens of search re-centers our focus away from the generative capabilities of LLMs towards parsing natural language: one of the foundations of contemporary search and what information giants like Google have spent the last 20 years building. The context of knowledge graphs that span public “factual” information with private “personal” information gives further form to their future. The Microsoft Copilot model above is one high-level example of the intended architecture: LLMs parse natural language queries, conditioned by factual and personal information within a knowledge graph, into computer-readable commands like API calls or other interactions with external applications, which can then have their output translated back into natural language as generated by the LLM. Facebook AI researchers describe another “reason first, then respond” system that is more specifically designed to tune answers to questions with factual knowledge graphs [189]. The LLM being able to “understand” the query is irrelevant, it merely serves the role as a natural language interface to other systems.
Historically, these personal assistants have worked badly83 and are rightly distrusted84 by many due to the obvious privacy violation represented by a device constantly recording ambient audio85. Impacts from shifts in assistants might be then limited by people simply continuing to not use them. Knowledge graph-powered LLMs appear to be a catalyst in shifting the form of these assistants to make them more difficult to avoid. There is already a clear push to merge assistants with search — eg. Bing Search powered by chatGPT, and Google has merged its Assistant team with the team that is working on its LLM search, Bard [199]. Microsoft’s Copilot 365 demo also shows a LLM prompt modeled as an assistant integrated as a first-class interface feature in its Office products. Google’s 2022 I/O Keynote switches fluidly between a search-like, document-like, and voice interface with its assistant. Combined with the restructuring of App ecosystems to more tightly integrate with assistants, their emerging form appears to look less like a traditional voice assistant and more like a combined search, app launcher, and assistant underlay that is continuous across devices. The intention is to make the assistant the primary means of interacting with apps and other digital systems. As with many stretches of the enclosure of the web, UX design is used as a mechanism to coerce patterns of expectation and behavior.
Regardless of how well this new iteration of assistants work, the intention of their design is to dramatically deepen the intimacy and intensity of surveillance and further consolidate the means of information access.

jonny,
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The rewriting titles idea is perfectly in line with what they discuss in their investor calls in the context of advertising. it's a natural move if you see the LLMs as scope-limited enterprise tools that are intend to hook companies into dependence on their information access systems (consolidation of power) and hook people into them as means of interacting with an ecosystem of apps, commerce, etc. (intimacy of surveillance).

The debate about whether the LLMs are sentient is not serving us well. It's true, of course they aren't sentient, but it's obscuring more of the truth of the strategy than it is innoculating us against it at this point. Whether the LLMs are sentient is irrelevant because the plan was never to just continue to use the LLMs on their own. They are interfaces to other systems, can be presented as tools that can be conditioned by "factual information."

They won't work as advertised, of course, but we have to be very clear about the threat:
The threat is not that LLMs will write the news. That's already happening, do any search.
The threat is that the LLMs will be used to leverage greater control over our access to information by destabilizing our already fragile information ecosystem and presenting themselves as precisely not sentient, but handy assistants to interact with trusted databases - the last trustable sources of information left.

The addition of context-optimized clickbait headers for those willing to pay to be the brand beneath them is just an especially cynical product to sell to whichever suckers are desperate enough to buy it.

https://jon-e.net/surveillance-graphs/#the-most-obvious-power-grab-from-pushing-kg-llms-in-place-of-sea

jonny, to random
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in my work the last few years I have been playing part-time journalist, talking with people on and off the record, chasing stories through scraped corporate documents, etc. To me that flows naturally with the other parts of my work building software, experimenting with social dynamics and even studying language, but it never escapes me that because my work doesn't fit in any discipline there is no place for it. I've been told to strip the amateur journalism entirely, transform it into qualitative research/ethnography, or just quit academia and do it as straight ahead journalism. but it's the mash of different disciplines and traditions that makes it interesting!

if all we ask from "reforming" or rebuilding is for the owners of the journals to change, but everything else remains intact, we will still be missing so much of what our work could be without their structuring influence. I have chosen to not pursue any of the milestones or metrics that might allow me to get a TT job one day in order to do what, to me, is the most interesting work I could do, and it really sucks that that is the tradeoff. Many academics like to imagine the scientific process as welcoming creativity and new ideas, but those new ideas have to be strongly constrained in form - the revolutionary new idea in my field has to look just like everything else in my field just with different results.

How sick would it be if it was normal to not just have transdisciplinary collaboration look like a linguist in the author list and contributing to the discussion of a traditional Nature systems Neuro paper, but genuinely be able to work across fields and come out with something that we truly don't know what comes out the other side will look like? Prespecifying a paper, much less a project, to fit a journal's specification makes our work boring and I have been in more than a few meetings about potential collaborations that went nowhere because there wouldn't be a venue for it.

Not everyone has to want that, some people just want to do molecular biology only, and thats fine! but for that to be the only way to do things is yet another way that our broken communication systems affect literally everything we do in academia.

jonny,
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I guess, relatedly, if anyone knows of any venue for hmu. It's already undergoing a sort of informal public peer review through the annotations, but I would like to have a more systematic process of people checking me on my shit and offering their perspectives. In my mind, it would be great if more processes like that could result in coauthorship if someone wants to contribute, but maybe that's another conversation.

web: https://jon-e.net/surveillance-graphs
pdf: https://hcommons.org/deposits/item/hc:54749/
(it was so out of discipline I couldn't even put it on arxiv lmao)

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