@ednico Not doing local-first early is biting Tana in the arse quite a bit. Notion managed it (eventually) but they‘re kicking a good bit of technology debt down the road there.
@spinningthoughts I could not agree more. That and export - I feel like if Tana really wanted to appeal / get the attention of the masses it was to implement Offline or proper encryption and be different from the rest
@AAMfP@jenkstom thanks for telling me about Logseq, it wasn't on my radar! but looking over their website I saw it involved coding in its usage, to make "queries", and it gave me pause. did I understand that correctly?
@sharan from what I gathered you can simply run the app on your local device.
If you want it available as selfhosted, so you can access it from multiple devices, you'll need some sort of webserver. Nothing special really, just some flavor of linux.
But you'll also need to know how to do it - I haven't found any offerings for a managed solution so far.
So this can be some Hardware you own/buy or a rented Server somewhere.
Here are the Docs, maybe those help. https://tech.anytype.io/how-to/self-hosting
I just read that @standardnotes was acquired by @protonprivacy . I am disappointed given I've been a happy user for over 5 years, with over 800 notes archived privately and used daily.
I am looking for alternatives, and evaluating @obsidian@cryptee and #AnyType (which I am very impressed with). Other suggestions, welcomed.
@protonprivacy my experience with your service hasn’t been the best (since the protonmail dates) with broken promises, missed deadlines, and slow progress. My views are also incompatible with your marketing messaging and where I’ve seen the company going. Standard Notes is a great team and a great app for what it does, though. Probably the best one out there.
@leoboulton Hi Leo, if you have additional info to share on what you were expecting on the roadmap and any issues with our marketing, we can pass it along to the team.
We have a lot planned for 2024 across all the Proton products, and we're supported solely by subscribers, rather VC investors, advertisers and selling user data.
You can also filter by 'completed' on User Voice to check out all the implemented community feature requests: https://protonmail.uservoice.com.
Dans ma todo liste sur #Anytype je me suis rajoutée une vue "Tâches accomplie aujourd'hui".
Mine de rien ça aide à se rendre compte que non, j'ai pas rien fait de la journée même si j'ai pas tout fait ce que j'avais prévu. Ça fait du bien au moral ahah :blobcheerbounce:
Really impressed with how far AnyType has come in the last year. As I predicted in my article from the Alpha version, it didn't take long at all for this app to match Notion for everything I needed to organize important aspects of my life.
It still has a bit of a learning curve and some sticky areas, but it's fully functional, secure, and streamlined enough to pick up with just a few hours of practice setting up a course schedule for my classes in the Summer/Fall.
@sharan That is one of the biggest flaws of a LOT of really cool software. The UX is so often TERRIBLE from a non-techie perspective (or even a techie one, lol). Anytype's actually improved since their alpha version, so I'm hoping they keep headed in that direction. More accessibility, fewer bugs, clearer language, and a better introductory tutorial.
In short, what the "1 GB limit" actually is, is just this: You can transfer unlimited data between your devices while they are on the same network. If you wanted to have live syncing away from home, you'd need one of the following:
A paid plan.
A self-hosted "node" (a transfer point linked to the Internet where the data can be transferred through).
A VPN like Nord with something called "Meshnet" which makes your devices think they're all on the same network.
Now, if only Anytype's PR people would actually hire me, I could explain all of this to everyone, lol.
2024 is starting off as the battle of the #notetaking apps. I'm jumping between #obsidianmd, #logseq, and #anytype. May the strongest survive my inability to stick to one thing.
it seems pretty neat, if not a bit complicated (never been into notion style notes), wouldn't mind recommending it to people who like fancy interfaces I guess
I mean, it is open source and promises to be offline first and encrypted and all, but having it use their sync servers by default when you start the app and not having the data in a plain to read format is a bit eehhhh compared to even obsidian
Has anyone used #Anytype? Purports to be a secure, open source, local-first alternative to #Notion and #Obsidian. Mac, Linux, Windows, iOS and Android clients.
They give you 1Gb of free synced remote storage, but you have unlimited storage via secure P2P syncing.
@krishooper I hear you. Still experimenting, but so far for me what takes it down is the very thing that is apparently its biggest selling point - similarity to Notion. I tried the latter multiple times and it’s like building a damn grill piece by piece before you can even get a steak or sausage cooking.
What I do like however is the sync chain functionality. One username and passphrase and you have unlimited near-realtime syncing across multiple devices with unlimited local storage. THAT is something apps like #Obsidian could definitely stand to incorporate, versus this bollocks iCloud sync capability.
#Anytype qui annonce dans sa newsletter la possibilité d'avoir plusieurs espaces sur même compte ! C'est complètement ce qu'il me fallait pour pas délaisser l'outil avec mon espace qui me convient plus trop !
Je n'ai jamais été la personne qui prend beaucoup de notes, encore moins celle qui en fait un usage efficace.
Mais ces derniers temps je me questionne sur les outils comme #Notion. J'ai l'impression que pouvoir lier les notes et donc gérer un graphe peut donner du sens à la prise de notes pour moi.
J'avais testé un peu #obsidian, mais sans être convaincu. Je pense que l'interface est un peu trop austère pour moi. Et que ça ne m'apporte pas grand chose de plus que mes bons fichiers markdown édités dans notepad et synchronisés avec nextcloud.
Notion attire plus l'œil mais l'aspect SaaS et le manque de contrôle sur les données est un nogo pour moi.
Maintenant j'ai découvert #anytype il y a quelques mois. J'ai l'impression que ça recouvre les fonctionnalités essentielles (pour moi) de Notion avec la promesse de mieux posséder ses données et un fonctionnement hors ligne.
Je l'ai installé mais jamais vraiment utilisé.
Je pense que je vais me mettre à l'essayer sérieusement. Ce qui me questionne quand même est que la possibilité de self host est mise en avant mais quand on fouille il faut passer par une compilation des clients. J'imagine que très peu de gens font ça. Ça me galère, je ne pense pas le faire alors que j'en aurai les compétences et que c'est important pour moi. C'est juste trop de temps et d'énergie.
Est-ce que des gens ont des retours sur ces outils, comment et pourquoi ils les utilisent ?
@Sans_DeC J'ai un peu de mal avec toutes ces applications. Joplin semble pas mal mais j'aurai bien voulu une arborescence de fichier markdown nommé à la place d'un vrac de fichier :-/ @warrows
@larsmb That biases me towards Logseq for notes and meeting logs. Outliners are great for rapid write-along, and Logseq automatically gathers relevant information under keywords so long as the keyword has a page at some future point. That makes it great for evolving insights into topics with minimum friction.
Recipies can be done in either Obsidian or anytype. Anytype is a bit of a neater database and mobile experience than Obsidian out of the box.
AnyType already released their source code but with a restrictive custom license.
So what they did was attracting people with the promise of being Open Source (and the whole point is being Free-as-in-freedom, since "Open Source" was introduced by Open Source Initiative as a rebrand of Free Software) but then they basically said "whoops, we mean open source as in source being available, we have to protect our work".
Except everyone who tried to do that in the past decades just failed.
@vegos_f06 Zu IPFS kann ich wirklich nichts Kompetentes sagen. Blockchain verwendet es anscheinend nicht mehr, das war wohl nur mal ursprünglich so gedacht. Wir reden hier aber nicht über den Einsatz für SocialMedia, sondern über eine Wissensmanagement-Software (Anytype), die das verwendet. In der Praxis funktioniert das recht gut. Ich verwende Anytype am PC und die Mobile App von Android, und das synct sehr schön und smooth. Manchmal gibt es noch Probleme, z.B. dass zu Richlinks gehörige Grafiken beim Syncen nicht auf dem jeweils anderen Gerät landen, aber ansonsten geht das alles recht gut. @thoralf
AnyType allows me to keep a list of movies I want to watch and create various views based on different criteria such as movie language ... but it's hard to automate adding data to AnyType. Easiest way is to type it all in manually.
My own app lets me do things as I wish and I can automate movie information retrieval easily from say IMDB, but it is task-specific and I can't easily store (or rather, store in an organised fashion) movie information side-by-side with say, book info, or a comic book collection.
My first instinct always is to go for a solution that I can extend/code for, and so I’ll need to do some checking on each … If I find one that I really like, will let you know …
@f as I read your responses I had the thought that I wonder if a wiki platform with some degree of templates/customization might be sufficient for both of us? I’ve long been a bit ambivalent about generic wikis but once there is a structure/template in place they can be pretty useful. Something like perhaps https://tiddlywiki.com (or another open source simple wiki though I think I’ve heard good things about that one - the challenge is a lot of wiki projects are named similarly