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Secure decentralized messaging for all major platforms and then some. Reliable and instant by using fast and secure Chatmail servers, but also compatible with traditional email providers. Offering chat-shared web apps for fun and collaboration, end-to-end encrypted and without any server side hosting. Security-Audited multiple times, last in 2024. Chat over e-mail and head back to the future with us! Avoid xkcd927 :)

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delta, to random
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Delta Chat is not as popular as other messengers but with decentralized messaging it's not doing so bad, is it? Or which decentral messengers do you know that

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Sounds like a bad joke joke but the EU governing council wants to once again legislate for it's 350 million citizens. According to @echo_pbreyer (EU parlamentarian) the legislation wants to force messengers to prevent users from sending images or videos unless they agree them to be scanned, AI-analyzed and potentially reported to police. They apparently want to bring it up for a council vote in two days and get it through parliament in June. German link https://www.patrick-breyer.de/lass-dich-ueberwachen-eu-rat-will-sich-auf-chatkontrolle-mit-zustimmung-der-nutzer-einigen/

delta,
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@delegatevoid @echo_pbreyer It is easy to bring lots of technical arguments why #chatcontrol is a bad idea. But even if it were technically possible, it would be a catastrophic idea. No government should have an automated surveillance capability built into all private communications -- and images and videos are very much a core part of private communications. Pushing for such automated surveillance of private communications arguably surpasses Iran, Russia and other countries's control efforts.

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Often overlooked from our "but e-mail!" skeptics: Any sufficiently advanced P2P messenger will eventually re-invent a custom, partial form of e-mail ... because users want to communicate when their apps are offline or not foregrounded and active at the same time. See https://briarproject.org/download-briar-mailbox/ for a recent example.

Delta Chat goes the reverse route by providing a secure and interoperable e-mail based messaging experience and then adds P2P tech like https://webxdc.org on top.

delta,
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@rakoo stay tuned :) but we will not compromise on reliability, efficiency and ease of use which means we tread carefully. Instead of a distributed hash table (dht) we are to use the massively scaled e-mail system for bootstrapping P2P connectivity and paradigms. Any P2P system needs a bootstrapping mechanism, if not email it would be "root" servers and they are way less federated and decentralized than email :) but more when the time comes as we prefer delivering working code not ideas.

delta,
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@lyyn @fell @rakoo surely, push notifications are a complex thing only arising because mobile OSes prefer to prevent apps from just sitting there, listening for network activity. https://dontkillmyapp.com/ exists for good reasons.

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Nice surprise! Thanks to @lk108 we now have "DeltaTouch", the Ubuntu-Touch/UBports version of Delta Chat! It's pretty usable already .... read more on https://delta.chat/en/2023-07-02-deltatouch about the journey of bringing Delta Chat to a non-Android/iOS mobile platform 🎉

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It seems that the fdroid 1.40 fdroid built is broken. Sorry about that. We are trying to mitigate and fix. You can mark this 1.40.0 update to be ignored in the fdroid app. If you already installed the new version then try downgrading. Greetings from

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Delta Chat is an in-between project: often ignored as a messenger by e-mail companies/experts and then ignored by messenger companies/experts because of its use and interoperability with e-mail. As Heinz von Foerster once said: "If you are doing something genuinely new then don't ask the experts. If you do something that has already been done, then, by all means, ask the experts." FWIW many experts have verified Delta Chat's security mechanics https://delta.chat/en/help#security-audits :)

delta, to random
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We are currently revising the FAQ regarding common questions about E2E-encryption and OpenPGP Security, Metadata protection, verified groups etc. in this PR https://github.com/deltachat/deltachat-pages/pull/727/files
feedback welcome at best on the PR but here is fine as well. You also can glimpse in this PR some of the security improvements we are aiming for in the next couple months.

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Delta Chat 1.38 releases: WebXDC apps can now exchange data with other tools and run on other messengers! We've implemented a little Calendar and Draw app to showcase the two new APIs and besides have other good news for the nascent privacy-guaranteeing Next-Generation-Internet ... just a "start" button for chat-shared apps with no GDPR or cookie-consents, no coins, no app or account hosting and thus no logins ;) https://delta.chat/en/2023-06-28-webxdc-import-export

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The "webxdc evolve" project is now official and was just announced from one of our early followers and advisers, @ansuz , but it's not just a boilerplate announcement! Ansuz dives deep starting from his yearslong cryptpad maintainership history, his early involvement in up to the present and future .... Very good reading if you want to understand some.foundational considerations around evolving an end-to-end encrypted, decentralized web app platform ...
https://cryptography.dog/blog/announcing-webxdc-evolve/

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The talk from @hpk about "Delta Chat and WebXDC" at is online at https://media.ccc.de/v/camp2023-57191-delta_chat_messenger -- at our camp village a lot of people onboarded from hackspaces around the world and we've had many fun discussions with various people, among them Paul and Niklas from @briar , @ninabreznik from wizardamigos and DAT, security trainers from the "Cybersyn" project in latin america, @maxigas from CILAB Amsterdam, @okdistribute to name just a few ... was wonderful time, thanks everybody!

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The delta chat group has now 48 members, all using guaranteed end to end encryption and several games and apps .... So far without a glitch, no "couldn't decrypt" errors, everything lightning fast, some people using multiple devices with their account, 30 people joining during live onboarding on day1 and using a editor together in the chat (cryptpad without a server basically). Seems like all the milestones of 2023 (guaranteed e2ee, web apps, chatmail) are ... Actually playing out ;)

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We were very happy when we heart that the XMPP-based https://cheogram.com/ experimentally adopted https://webxdc.org -- so that the same web apps run on Cheogram and Delta Chat. We started communicating with Cheogram's main dev through matterbridge in a group chat about upcoming webxdc improvements ... ftw :)

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When you are interacting with this account here you are actually interacting with a bunch of folks involved in various ways in project happenings, who are often following interactions via a deltachat mastodon bot that relays messages into a chat group from where the reply is triggered. Many of the @delta members have an approach to networking so mostly use the chat group to interact.

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Given the experiences of the last decade it's healthy to distrust tech if

  • it's mainly developed by a centralized power structure
  • the involved technology is very complex
  • there is coin or VC funding involved

has 1/100th, if even that, of what other popular messenging projects have in terms of moneys. But our distributed top-notch expertise in UI, crypto, networking tech and our federated collaborative practises across these concerns, try to make up for it ...

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just got four major usability improvements as the 1.44 releases are rolling out
💗 Reactions on all platforms
💗 iOS Push notifications
💗 Multi-account desktop sidebar
💗 share invite links via other messengers. Enjoy :)
https://delta.chat/en/2024-03-12-jumbo44

delta, to random
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Apart from the default server advertised on our onboarding page there are at least three other stable open-signup servers whose operators cooperate to ensure stability, see this new page covering background such as funding, trust etc https://delta.chat/en/chatmail

delta, to random
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Do you sometimes hesitate to give out your Whatsapp or Signal address for work, project or private uses respectively?

Indeed, it's not always easy to keep social contexts separated but all apps offer proven multi-account support. Just create another :)

Tired of platform notification mails and having to go to some weird web mail interface with lots of ads? Just create another account in Delta Chat for platform spam/notifications, and receive it all in a convenient chat app.

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We are waiting since 8 days on @fdroidorg to publish a) our disabling of the 1.40.0 release b) our 1.40.1 fdroid release that we did a few hours after users reported crashes. Status is tracked here https://github.com/deltachat/deltachat-android/issues/2639#issuecomment-1692416810 .... We had dozens of users reporting that their fdroid install became unusable and we are very sorry about it but also can't do much else than wait. Don't deinstall anything, please, but wait for fdroid to publish the update after which things will function again.

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Today, we are unveiling chatmail services, making onboarding with a breeze, with peace of mind.

marks a major milestone, answering the practical question of "where can i get a deltachat-ready account" for myself and friends?

Read more on https://delta.chat/en/2023-12-13-chatmail

delta, to security
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WhatsApp introduces "ask meta ai" in the local chat search bar, and Slack auto-feeds messages to train their LLM robots https://eigenmagic.net/@NewtonMark/112455578857917485 ... Delta Chat is among the shrinking number of messaging applications that does not look at your data except to end-to-end encrypt it and send it over interoperable message transport servers chosen by yourselves and your contacts. ftw!

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While we do have criticisms of its centralized architecture and other choices we highly regard Signal for ushering in a decade of popularizing end-to-end encryption. We particularly appreciate @Mer__edith doing excellent communication work there. It's disingenuous that tech-billionaires Musk/Dorsey fuel attacks on her and another female colleague, hinting at Telegram as a more secure messenger. Comparing security of Signal with Telegram simply results in "Type Error: incompatible arguments".

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Delta Chat may be criticized for not being the most secure messenger in some sense or not the most feature rich. When it comes to interoperability, however, our efforts and collaborations are the biggest game in town, no? The two biggest sets of internet standards revolve and operate at massive scale around E-Mail and the Web. Our approach fully engages and takes up these extremely impactful sets of standards, and reliably rewires them into a modern UI

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