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Secure decentralized messaging for all major platforms and then some. Reliable and instant by using fast and secure Chatmail servers, but also compatible with traditional email providers. Offering chat-shared web apps for fun and collaboration, end-to-end encrypted and without any server side hosting. Security-Audited multiple times, last in 2024. Chat over e-mail and head back to the future with us! Avoid xkcd927 :)

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delta, to random
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Sounds like a bad joke joke but the EU governing council wants to once again legislate for it's 350 million citizens. According to @echo_pbreyer (EU parlamentarian) the legislation wants to force messengers to prevent users from sending images or videos unless they agree them to be scanned, AI-analyzed and potentially reported to police. They apparently want to bring it up for a council vote in two days and get it through parliament in June. German link https://www.patrick-breyer.de/lass-dich-ueberwachen-eu-rat-will-sich-auf-chatkontrolle-mit-zustimmung-der-nutzer-einigen/

delta, to random
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While we do have criticisms of its centralized architecture and other choices we highly regard Signal for ushering in a decade of popularizing end-to-end encryption. We particularly appreciate @Mer__edith doing excellent communication work there. It's disingenuous that tech-billionaires Musk/Dorsey fuel attacks on her and another female colleague, hinting at Telegram as a more secure messenger. Comparing security of Signal with Telegram simply results in "Type Error: incompatible arguments".

delta, to security
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WhatsApp introduces "ask meta ai" in the local chat search bar, and Slack auto-feeds messages to train their LLM robots https://eigenmagic.net/@NewtonMark/112455578857917485 ... Delta Chat is among the shrinking number of messaging applications that does not look at your data except to end-to-end encrypt it and send it over interoperable message transport servers chosen by yourselves and your contacts. ftw!

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Often overlooked from our "but e-mail!" skeptics: Any sufficiently advanced P2P messenger will eventually re-invent a custom, partial form of e-mail ... because users want to communicate when their apps are offline or not foregrounded and active at the same time. See https://briarproject.org/download-briar-mailbox/ for a recent example.

Delta Chat goes the reverse route by providing a secure and interoperable e-mail based messaging experience and then adds P2P tech like https://webxdc.org on top.

delta, to random
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Delta Chat may be criticized for not being the most secure messenger in some sense or not the most feature rich. When it comes to interoperability, however, our efforts and collaborations are the biggest game in town, no? The two biggest sets of internet standards revolve and operate at massive scale around E-Mail and the Web. Our approach fully engages and takes up these extremely impactful sets of standards, and reliably rewires them into a modern UI

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Did you know that Delta Chat is the only mature, cross-platform secure messaging app that does not use or need a key server?

Signal, Matrix, Proton, Whatsapp all effectively operate key servers that reveal the cryptographic identity (a very strong identifier) behind an address.

Delta Chat uses decentralized specs and protocols that reveal your cryptographic identity only to those you choose to interact with. Nothing can be publically queried.

Background link: https://delta.chat/en/help#encryption-and-security

delta, to random
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Delta Chat is an in-between project: often ignored as a messenger by e-mail companies/experts and then ignored by messenger companies/experts because of its use and interoperability with e-mail. As Heinz von Foerster once said: "If you are doing something genuinely new then don't ask the experts. If you do something that has already been done, then, by all means, ask the experts." FWIW many experts have verified Delta Chat's security mechanics https://delta.chat/en/help#security-audits :)

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The "webxdc evolve" project is now official and was just announced from one of our early followers and advisers, @ansuz , but it's not just a boilerplate announcement! Ansuz dives deep starting from his yearslong cryptpad maintainership history, his early involvement in up to the present and future .... Very good reading if you want to understand some.foundational considerations around evolving an end-to-end encrypted, decentralized web app platform ...
https://cryptography.dog/blog/announcing-webxdc-evolve/

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Seems the french surveillance practises (Hadopi) identifying people behind IP addresses have been legalized by a top EU court. Fwiw servers remove any IP address traces after two days and collect no personal data whatsoever. Maybe it's time for a french themed chatmail server similar to the de,pl,us ones? https://delta.chat/en/chatmail

delta, to random
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A wild community experiment that can not but fail? Probably but whatever, welcome to massive multi-device usage of on :) it's an account not shared between your own devices but between all devices who can import the backup file that is currently circulating .... Bringing you an anonymous e2ee encrypted forum without individual user identities, with autodeletion from server after a week .... also adressable wirh e2ee messaging ....

delta, to security
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For those who like to focus on an honest question: which other messenger has, like in the last 13 months, received and addressed two independent security audits and one security analysis, all three from renowned auditors and researchers? CC @kuketzblog https://delta.chat/en/help#security-audits

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Apart from the default server advertised on our onboarding page there are at least three other stable open-signup servers whose operators cooperate to ensure stability, see this new page covering background such as funding, trust etc https://delta.chat/en/chatmail

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Messaging transports better be dumb and do the bare minimum to get the job done for end-to-end encrypting apps. Compared to homeservers servers are two orders of magnitude more dumb, consume two orders of magnitude less resources and are blazing fast and don't require extra (central?!) identity and integration servers. With delta all intelligence, including general purpose https://webxdc.org/apps and protection against compromised networks and servers, lives on the end device.

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"but e-mail !1!!!" Is probably still a number one objection from experts and power users who refuse to fathom that e-mail protocols are a viable option for instant messaging even if it demonstrably works, is fast and secure :) We'd be happy if someone engaged in a proper comparison with xmpp and matrix specs and impls, really the only three messenging protocols deployed and implemented at scale. (Can't compare that with Signal or WhatsApp which don't have wire specs!). https://github.com/deltachat/deltachat-core-rust/blob/main/standards.md

delta, to random
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How many people do you know that have lost their messaging history on Whatsapp or Signal, photos etc during mobile phone transitions or breakage or through other shenenigans?

With you can:

delta, to random
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The last 1.44 release round did not only contain a lot of UI/UX milestones but also 20 security fixes based on a deep analysis from Yuanming Song and colleagues of the Applied Cryptography group at ETH Zuerich https://delta.chat/en/2024-03-25-crypto-analysis-securejoin

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The default setup of is for open signups (anyone can get an address) but some operators implement a private signup protocol and that's fine and easy enough to do because https://github.com/deltachat/chatmail/ is a small machine.

Chatmail addresses should be abundant and safe to use for anyone , and cheap to operate with basic skills .... A few thousand chatmail routers might already cover adresses for 10 billion people, with less resource/energy usage than a single VC funded LLM startup :)

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just got four major usability improvements as the 1.44 releases are rolling out
💗 Reactions on all platforms
💗 iOS Push notifications
💗 Multi-account desktop sidebar
💗 share invite links via other messengers. Enjoy :)
https://delta.chat/en/2024-03-12-jumbo44

delta, to random
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Given the experiences of the last decade it's healthy to distrust tech if

  • it's mainly developed by a centralized power structure
  • the involved technology is very complex
  • there is coin or VC funding involved

has 1/100th, if even that, of what other popular messenging projects have in terms of moneys. But our distributed top-notch expertise in UI, crypto, networking tech and our federated collaborative practises across these concerns, try to make up for it ...

delta, to rust
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News from the machine room: the pure end-to-end encryption engine, "rpgp", saw quite some work and a new release in recent weeks and now @hko released a higher level "rpgpie" interface for application developers ( see https://fosstodon.org/@hko/111997998005869515 ) which also powers running the IETF test suite quite successfully .... Delta Chat's security-audited encryption engine is in fact used from several other projects and in other contexts these days and we are happy about it!

delta, to random
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In whichever area of related developments you look, you will find different people and communities -- even if there are several individuals who appear in multiple contexts as key contributors or drivers. There is no single person who gets to decide about everything even if we do have lead roles for particular aspects. Our experimental community approaches respect Convays Law: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_law -- meaning: our tech will be only as good as our social practises

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Reclaiming Peer-to-Peer Web technology with out of the ashes of "Web3": our 2024 opening post on the topic :) https://delta.chat/en/2024-02-15-webxdc-m3

Psst: we are looking for more folks experienced with Web app development with a knack for P2P technology ....

delta, to random
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Was an eventful and enjoyable and .... Ranging from intermingling with people operating security-sensitiv helplines using to discussing email standards like the evolving openpgp cryptorefresh ... And then several more underground happenings which might lead to even more surprises than are already developing .... with many of us agreeinf and appreciating that we are rather engaged with lots interesting communities and folks rather than corporate structures.

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When you are interacting with this account here you are actually interacting with a bunch of folks involved in various ways in project happenings, who are often following interactions via a deltachat mastodon bot that relays messages into a chat group from where the reply is triggered. Many of the @delta members have an approach to networking so mostly use the chat group to interact.

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We just refined the user facing "download" page to include instant onboarding instructions https://get.delta.chat

Did you know there also are first independent setups from friendly third parties, eg https://mehl.cloud and https://mailchat.pl/ all nicely interoperable and fast?

actively develops here https://github.com/deltachat/chatmail/pulse/monthly ....

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