@jon@vivaldi.net
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jon

@jon@vivaldi.net

I have been working with Web technologies since 1992. I have co-founded two browser companies, Opera Software and Vivaldi Technologies. I was CEO at Opera and I am CEO at Vivaldi.

I am a strong proponent of open standards. I believe in building feature rich products that can be adapted to the needs of users without collecting information about usage. I believe no company has the right to profile their users.

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jon, (edited ) to random
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I have been using Thinkpads for years and been using Trackpoints. I love the technology, but we getting a bit of strain in my fingers, so wanted to try something else, so using a laptop with a touchpad instead. Finding that I kept clicking things by mistake. Thought there was something wrong with my laptop, but then found there was a setting for clicking things my mistake and it was called "Tap to click" and a similar one for right clicking. Both were on by default.

I guess I am one of those that prefers to click when I want to click and not have a slight touch of the touchpad register as a click. The touchpad has to differentiate between clicking, scrolling, moving, etc., so having everything with the same level of pressure seems likely to lead to mistakes.

What about you? Do you enable tap to click?

jon,
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@stardust

That would not fix my issue, which is basically clicking when I am trying to scroll. Scrolling means touching the pad with two fingers and dragging your fingers across the pad. I guess the timing needs to be just right so that this does not get seen as a click.

Generally I find things that rely too much on timing to be PITA.

jon, to random
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I did a survey to check how many of you have used one of my browsers, Opera or Vivaldi, with Vivaldi being my current browser company and Opera being my old one.

A lot of you shared your story and that is much appreciated.

1061 did the survey.

61% had used both Opera and Vivaldi.
15% had used Opera
12% had used Vivaldi
11% had never used either.

Thank you all for joining in. I hope those of you that are not using Vivaldi, will give it a try.

Chances are you just might like it!

https://vivaldi.com

brucelawson, to random
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82 people are running to be President of Iceland, at least 11 of them accidentally. "As a content designer, I was intrigued. How could so many people accidentally start a campaign for President of Iceland?" https://uxdesign.cc/how-do-you-accidentally-run-for-president-of-iceland-0d71a4785a1e

jon,
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@WildEnte

No, there is enough of people doing that...😀

mattly, to random
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ugh, I’m shopping for a new macOS mail client, I need:

  • multiple fastmail / imap / gmail accounts
  • multiple aliases per account
  • modifier-less keyboard commands
  • must NOT use a third-party server for ANYTHING (rules out Spark)
  • must have an option to disable remote images
  • sort/view by sender & thread
  • I have a very high bar for subscription fees; Edison/Canary/Newton don’t cut it

I’ve been doing email since 1994, my favorite clients have been Claris Em@iler, Mutt, Spark, & Sparrow

jon,
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@ak @mattly @Vivaldi

By default we open mail links in the browser. If requested, I am sure we could add the option to open it somewhere else, but that has not been requested so far. There is significant benefit with having the two integrated.

You will find we have a lot of useful functionality in there. You mention keyboard commands. How about T to view a thread? E to view a contact? Besides the normal keyboard shortcuts. In fact you can tailor them to your own liking. G to mark a mail as read and jump to the next unread one is a personal favorite.

We disable third party content by default.

We have a very effective search solution that allows you to find any mail inside seconds. Means you can spend less time moving mails around.

Enjoy! Let me know what you think!

jon, to Vivaldi
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If you used M2 in Opera and enjoyed it, you really should be using Vivaldi Mail (M3).

If you have never used M2 or M3, maybe it is time to give it a try?

https://vivaldi.com/features/mail/

jon,
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@aronkvh

We do things a bit differently at times and not without reason, but we will continue to polish what we got based on feedback.

What is special about Vivaldi Mail in many ways is that the database. It makes it really fast and easy to find mails. We use the same for feeds. There is a benefit there, but we also have a separate feed panel, for those that want to keep the feeds separate.

What we find is that for those that spend the time to learn how to use Vivaldi Mail, they want to keep using it. It really is that unique.

jon,
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@aronkvh

I guess it is a question of learning a few of the tricks. Some suggestions:

  1. Only show direct mails in the unread folder. Hide custom folders and mailing lists.

  2. Move important mailing lists into the important folder. Close the other folder and only click the parent folder to see what is inside.

  3. Learn to use the view toggles. Use different settings for different folders, depending on what makes sense. I often hide unread mails to only show new ones, for example.

  4. Use keyboard shortcuts, such as T to view a thread and E to view the contact.

  5. Undo is your friend. If you mark a mail as read, use Undo to bring it back.

  6. Personally I queue mails for later sending. I guess it is old school undo sending mail...

  7. Prefetch all mails. That means all the mail gets indexed.

  8. Search is a function you should expect to use a lot. It is fast. Thus you can spend less time organizing your mail.

feld, to random
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@jon Presto was so good, the Opera Mail client was also the fastest to sync accounts with 500k emails, etc.

Was there a real architectural reason for dropping Presto or was it just the cost of maintaining your own browser engine?

jon,
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@feld

Opera dropped Presto after I left. They did that as the management and board were clueless, if you ask me. They did not see the value in having the best browser engine at that time, including the one that would run on the least hardware.

We did have issues with being blocked by some sites, the most important being sites made by Google and Microsoft, so I guess that was their rationale for doing it.

jon,
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@feld

We spent a lot of time on the caching mechanism. It did get more difficult with sites that would insist on reloading, mostly to show new ads, but we got it working. We kept ready formatted instances of the pages in memory and we did it in a compact manner.

Our view was always that our code should run on old hardware and on terrible networks. Sadly that is not how other browser cores are built.

That being said, some work has been done on functionality like this in Chromium by some old Opera people now working at Google.

jon, (edited ) to Vivaldi
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I have been building browsers for 30 years now. First Opera and now Vivaldi. My estimate is that more than 1 billion have used one of my browsers or both. Have you?

Feel free to share your story!

jon,
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@Geniusak , I guess the focus is on my time there, but either way you are using a browser from a company I founded. I just have nothing to do with what Opera is doing now.

jon,
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@seppi_hofer

Time to try Vivaldi then?

jon,
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@mima

I would say so.

jon,
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Obviously, if you are one of those that has not tried Vivaldi yet, why not give it a try?

https://vivaldi.com

jon,
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@zaivala

Did you try Vivaldi?

jon,
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@nick @HalleAndert @ramon @WildEnte

There was plenty of new stuff for every release.

jon,
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@zaivala

We all make our choices. I am biased, but I believe Vivaldi can be a great option for you as well. There are things to learn, but that is because we have more to offer.

I also believe we can play an important role with regards to Chromium as we grow.

In any case, good luck with your choice.

jon,
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@clacke

Of course I did. 😀

The Linköping office was very important. We started with a handful of people and we grew to a bout 100 in that office. It was a purely technical office and had a lot of really talented developers.

Linköping is a really nice town.

I spent a lot of time visiting all our offices around the world as well as have user meetups in different parts of the world. We had at most 15 offices in 12 countries.

jon,
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@peturbg

I am co-founder and CEO of Vivaldi. Sadly I am not contributing much on the coding side anymore. I did more of that at Opera, where I was also co-founder and CEO until 2010.

jon,
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@XanderMeters

It does. We made it.

jon,
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@rob

Maybe try to get your workplace to allow Vivaldi, if that is the problem?

Interesting on AI. In any case, if you want to use AI, you just go to pages that have it or add it as a Web panel.

jon,
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@rob

That reminds me of the earlier days of the Web, when there was an export restriction on encryption from the US. Thus non-US versions of Netscape and IE had 40 bit keys, while the US ones had 128 bit.

Opera was a Norwegian company, so we could deliver 128 bit keys outside of the US.

Still the banks in Norway and elsewhere would recommend Netscape and IE.

jon,
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@rob

The FUD from Microsoft has worked. At the same time Microsoft is blurring the line between what is local on your computer and what is in the cloud, which IMHO is a security issue. So is the tracking that most of those browsers engage in.

There is a reason we are making Vivaldi. It is because those 4 choices are not good enough for our users.

jon, to Vivaldi
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New @Vivaldi release. Plenty of good stuff in here. The Feed Reader got special attention this time.

When you go to a page that provides a feed, you can click the feed reader icon in the address bar to follow it.

You can follow news sites and blogs, but did you know that you can follow Youtube channels as well?

With this update, you can now follow subreddits and users on Reddit, as well as repository releases and commits on GitHub.

Enjoy!

https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-on-desktop-6-7/

#Vivaldi #browser #Feed #Windows #Mac #Linux #Computer

jon,
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@grishka @Vivaldi

Give it a try. You just might like it. Combine it with the Mail client as well. It is a powerful combo.

Hmm. on the traces. Good question. They do not belong there.

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