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It won't take off yet because it is still in it's infancy.

Don't expect this to be a full on Reddit replacement or Reddit like experience because Reddit has existed for 15 years or so.

Things will grow, mature and get better the more people use the platform.

One Small step, a giant leap for Fediverse but...

Day 2 here, and I can see the growth already. Personally I really like the notion of how its gonna shape up in the future but at the same time I really feel for the average user as of now its too complex to understand the working and how the cross servers thing is working. I mean yes still early days, UI will improve further...

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Beehaw has a code of conduct that everyone can read.

They already said that it is hard to effectively mod because the tooling isn't there yet.

I really wish people would hamper their expectations a bit. With more people coming, there will be more people willing to contribute for tooling etc. These projects are in it's infancy so growing pains will happen.

Facebook for example pays around 500mil per year for moderating and Reddit has free labor for it. But even then, Reddit is dependent on 3rd party tooling for their moderators to effectively moderate. That is a company that exists for 18 years or so?

At one point I expect there to be tooling available to make it easier to target ban people from an specific instance or even defederate specific accounts from an instance.

But if you are a mod team of 4 people without effective tooling then I hope that people understand the predicament they are in and also support the server in their efforts and try to understand their reasoning.

At least you don't have to switch to another platform, you can just make an account on the instance and participate.

I have been toggling between instances and accounts per instance for a good week already and I encounter zero problems with it.

If you just make an account and "activate" the keep yourself logged in checkmark than you can easily switch between instances.

In this stage we are self governing to an extent. The behaviour of people can affect a full instance so everyone has the obligation to think before they post.

Just don't be a dick/troll/spammer/bigot is more then enough to keep federating for your instance enabled.

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The black out is still happening right now.

There are subs who are blacking out indefinitely still.

But I don't know what people expected to happen after 48 hours?

The subreddits who participated already told that it was a "warning shot" and new actions were to be taken accordingly after.

And r/all is not Reddit.

r/all is the tumor of Reddit itself. It is the instagram and facebook equivalant of the "feed page". It doesn't define what makes Reddit...Reddit.

Again something that RIF did for me, it made r/all bearable to scroll through.

It are the communities underneath who provide advice, information and a sense of comradery who define Reddit.

When those communities leave, then you can fasten your seatbelts.

Reddit and it's userbase are not gonna survive of what is happening on r/all.

It will be a marathon and we should probably see in a year or maybe 2 if what is happening was effective.

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I see your point but I think you misunderstand me a bit.

r/all is somewhat of a "front", it can show that the place is vibrant and that there is something to do and something to scroll through.

But for example I never saw anything from r/mealprepsunday on my r/all and when I had reddit it actually was an subreddit that I was subscribed to and used frequently.

If the subreddit above gives me a reason to stay on reddit and it would dissapear then an vibrant r/all isn't an incentive for me to stay.

Can you see where I am coming from?

a page like r/all has it's use. It can reel people in and give direction but it will not be the reason people will stay.

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I am extremely interested in what Reddit themselves are communicating towards the advertisers.

"Don't worry only 8000 out of our 100.000+ communities are unavailable, it will be fine"

Or something a bit more...honest.

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I am still of firm believe that the subreddits and moderators should do what they feel is the best course for them as a community.

If they are okay or accepting of what is gonna come, come 30th of June than I fully respect that.

I deleted my 6+ years account today (edited comments before deleting) and was on the platform itself for 10+ years.

I am doing this because Reddit crossed a boundary I set for myself in regards of the way they are communicating and being ran.

They are very much a company with an autocratic leadership, they don't care about the userbase and any conversation about changes impacting the community are falling on tone deaf ears.

The fact that they are showing their hand and sharing their plans of "Increasing monitezation until profits arrive" is for me the last straw.

For me it shows one thing;

The changes implemented may not impact you directly now, or tomorrow, or next year but they will be knocking on your door eventually. At that point I hope there are still people who will speak up with you otherwise you have no "choice" but to open and comply.

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Ohw yes lol.

One of my best friends had the same request but also the audacity to ask if I could decide what parts he should buy given his budget.

I love my friends to death but comparing products, picking good ones and also for them to compatible on a budget someone else set is at least 2-3 days of work.

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It feels like an editor has an bone to pick with Reddit and I am all for it haha.

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Looked up Kagi.

Seems very nice and also like the fact that it is an subscription model and tailored towards the user.

BlackCoffee,
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Try working with IBM products and use their forums.

The inside joke here is that the search engine on the IBM website works really well..The finding part not really.

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Bold of you to assume that Spez actually uses the platform he is "leading".

BlackCoffee,
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I read that now at least 300+ subreddits are staying dark. I assume that more will follow though.

BlackCoffee,
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If this is real than 2 things can happen;

  • The userbase and moderators are gonna get even more riled up.
  • Spez is gonna keep razziaing his way through the moderators of the biggest subreddits.
BlackCoffee,
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Almost!

Kbin and Lemmy can federate with each other :).

You can even already test it now! (woot)

Go to the magazine page on Kbin and type in "Beehaw" and click enter.

You can now see the communities that are active on beehaw.org (beehaw.org is an lemmy instance).

You can then click on a community and comment in a thread from the beehaw.org instance right here on Kbin.

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You can actually access lemmy.world from this account on Kbin.

It is what makes the fediverse what it is.

So you don't need an account on every instance to see the communities from that specific instance.

You can just go to the "Magazine" page here, type in lemmy.world and you can see,read,join the communities that are on lemmy.world from your Kbin account on Kbin.social for example.

The Future of Reddit after the Blackout

As an effect of the recent Reddit blackout, the company is now surrounded by disappointed investors and community. I predict that Reddit may end up facing the same fate as Tumblr: being sold to another company. Only time will tell what the future holds for Reddit, but one thing is for sure - the protest will leave a lasting...

BlackCoffee, (edited )
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Everyone should decide that for themselves ;).

I am in it like this;
RIF = Reddit for me.

I despise the official app and website and it showed me the user that they are gonna go for maximizing profits.

Even if Reddit would cave, they will try this again and again and again. They just don't care.

In the end I wouldn't even mind to be the "product", but what would be in it for me if the experience is gonna be horrible?

If I am gonna pimp out my eyes, time and scrolling fingers for Reddit to monetize, they better be taking me to a 5 star restaurant so to speak.

So for me; Joined the blackout monday 00:00, haven't looked at Reddit the past days and will continue to do that. My account is also gonna be scrubbed/edited and deleted today.

  • Deleted Facebook and my account months ago.
  • Never cared or will care for Tik Tok
  • Have a ghost insta page because my friends like to share memes with me on it (yea idk).
  • Have a twitter Account I use once a week to see the transfer news from my favorite soccer team.
  • Reddit will join the above list.

These applications do not define you nor do they deserve your time if you feel unheard or taken advantage of.

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How tonedeaf towards ones userbase can one be.

Really accussing your community as being some neanderthals lol?

Smart thing to do Spez.

BlackCoffee,
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Sorry even if it is just internal, in what world is it an smart thing to do though..?

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I think people are underestimating the impact and at the same time overestimating it.

Overestimating; Reddit will not implode after 48 hours, I really do not understand the people who have the idea that that will happen.

Underestimating; The other side is that people who were contemplating to migrate already or were not happy with the way Reddit were doing things found an alternative place.

The positive thing after all this is the fact that there is a new option for people to build an community.

I am myself actually contemplating to make an Kbin instance for people who are passionate about fragrances or start with a magazine maybe.

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I have a theory that this is actually one of the last times that the current mods can actually "push" for change.

The older userbase has been fed up with reddit for a longer period of time and was in a status quo about the platform because the people above didn't interfere with those specific users. Now they did, showed their greedy hand and they actually cannot put the genie back in the bottle.

The older users are presumably power users and mod alike and especially the older power users understand what a thankless position that of a moderator is.

They are probably now the people who support the blackout and moderators alike and are looking at other platforms to migrate to.

I am very interested to see if the more recent userbase is as understanding towards the moderators when this all is over.

After this, I do assume that Reddit is gonna go full speed ahead to implement the changes they want if people are just going back and just do as if this never happened.

I am basing this just on a hunch and am talking out of my ass but someone has to do it ;).

BlackCoffee, (edited )
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Yup.

The problem is that people are searching for an instant 1on1 replacement for Reddit.

Well it isn't there (yet), nor will anything like it come to existence anymore in the way Reddits structure is now.

Edit;
I see that the EthFinance peeps are setting up and instance and I can actually access it already.

OC The branding for kbin is perfect

The branding for kbin is perfect for capturing the reddit migrators. The biggest friction point for the Fediverse is choosing an instance. If I want to join Lemmy, googling Lemmy takes me to a landing page with no join button, telling me to go to these other sites. Some of these sites even actively discourage signups, creating...

BlackCoffee, (edited )
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Haha just to for the record, it was not my idea. I am just spreading the word because I found it a genius idea from the person who put it out there ;).

If i could find the thread where the person who came up with it commented in I could give credit where credit is due.

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