I think it's the sci-fi fantasy of it. Like being able to download knowledge like the matrix.
In reality the real use of these is to help people with brain injuries or disabilities.
Elno wants to grift people on the former. Literally everything he does is selling people the knock off wish version of something from a sci-fi movie/book/game.
Musk aside, BCI will be a significant part of human lives in the distant future, they will initially aid existing tech but as the technology advances I can forsee a black mirror-esque future with our brains having a digital component.
Yeah same here, I'm much more curious about Valve's foray into BCIs. GabeN mentioned in an interview a few years ago that they're closer than we think and I want to know what he's cooking up.
The “evidence” of edit: stealing fuel provided by IDF is some phone conversation where someone says Hamas will take the hospital’s fuel reserves.
The official can be heard in the recorded call saying that Hamas has fuel reserves of over half a million liters under the hospital and that if further fuel was brought into the Strip, Hamas would take it as well.
Then the evidence of blocking fuel is again a representative speaking on what Abu Rish says…
“Abu Rish doesn’t want this amount [of fuel]. We are trying to convince him.”
Such claims about Hamas are certainly plausible, but I call into question their authenticity, because it’s possible these calls are fabrications by the IDF if they aren’t independently verified. The information war occuring alongside the actual war makes it difficult for me to read through Hamas and IDF bullshit.
Edit: clarified my point a little. Yes they can say they delivered fuel to the hospital with a video that’s fine. It’s the “they’re stealing it” part I’m not entirely convinced.
No geotag, just some nvd footage. Could also be easily fabricated or repurposed footage.
When the hospital did run out of fuel earlier, they did confirm thay Israel hadn’t responded to any requests then, so it’s possible something did change since that time, but it’s also equally likely nothing new actually developed.
To be honest, I'd probably wait for proper verification of the footage by someone like the BBC. And if I were running an information war campaign, I would absolutely fill those cans with water and film myself delivering them. The footage isn't great evidence.
There’s no footage to verify here, the evidence is just an audio recording. The only way to get verification is to find out who is the health officiaal on that line and contact them.
It’s just soldier carrying fuel. The issue here isn’t that IDF lie about fuel delivery, the issue is israel say Hamas blocking the delivery while Hamas deny it, and only sound clip are provided which is super easy to fake. So calling the health official on the end of the line will provide insight about the issue.
Not to mention it was just 300 liters, the hospital uses from 8 to 12 thousand liters a day.
Speaking to Al Jazeera, Abu Salmiya said: “Israeli officials reached out to me twice about providing the hospital with fuel: once to offer 2,000 litres [440 gallons] and then another to offer 300 litres [66 gallons]. Keep in mind the hospital needs from 8,000 [1,760 gallons] to 12,000 litres [2,640 gallons] per day.
Grain of salt on whether Israel actually did it or not. But if they did, that is actually a good amount. It keeps the essentials of the hospital going for 1-5 days (depends how it is broken down, how many ICU beds are full, etc). But it isn’t enough fuel to make them a target for Hamas.
Also: Storing fuel is hard. You COULD leave the fuel tanker in the parking lot but considering that is likely to catch a stray bullet/artillery shell…
And, from the shitty perspective: it keeps said hospitals on a tight leash. Because they can last maybe one day before they have to acquiesce to whatever the IDF wants in exchange for the humanitarian aid.
If there is one thing this conflict has taught us, it is the power of state funded media.
Al Jazeera have been putting in work. They are historically one of the best “view points” for the never ending hell in the middle east, but it is also worth remembering that they are funded by Qatar and were pretty much the first to accuse the IDF of the hospital bombing a few weeks back (that they most likely didn’t do… as opposed to the ones last week that they probably did…).
The BBC demonstrated during King Chuck’s coronation that they are 100% willing to toe the party line. So take it with a grain of salt
What we should be keeping an eye out for are the trustworthy OSINT outlets
The BBC demonstrated during King Chuck’s coronation that they are 100% willing to toe the party line
The BBC is imperfect - but BBC Verify does excellent work analysing and verifying disputed footage https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/reality_check - I'm impressed with their work.
I'm not sure what you think the "party line" is in this case - the BBC has been covering the current action in Gaza robustly with their foreign correspondents. How they covered the investiture of the head of state, doesn't really tell you mucgh about their coverage of Israel-Palestine.
They are good until they aren’t. Up until a month or two ago, I would have gone to bat for Al Jazeera as the closest thing you can get to an “unbiased” source on the never ending invasions of the Middle East. But right from the start of this round of Israel vs Palestine, they have very strongly been showing their side as state funded media. I still think they are incredibly valuable, but now as an alternate source to try to make sense of this mess rather than as a “reliable” source, if that makes sense.
And the BBC has already demonstrated how quickly they will bend the knee to whatever the British government wants, “when it matters”.
Am I saying you should assume they are liars? No. But I would lean more toward the outlets that aren’t state affiliated for something so intrinsically tied to global politics and relations.
It’s not an argument. I was asking for an example where the BBC had ‘bended the knee’ to the UK government, and was suggesting that the coverage of the Coronation was a bad example.
It REALLY isn’t worth arguing with the Royalist crowd.
Like, I’ll dick around with a tankie or a CCP shill. But the Royalists are just rabid in a way that isn’t even fun. Probably a side effect of having one of the most detested Brits of the past few decades (and that is saying A LOT) as a King and having him now defend and protect the Royal Nonce at every step.
It’s certainly worth talking about the merits of the monarchy, but that’s not the issue here. I was asking about the extent to which the BBC’s monarchy coverage had anything to do with its ability to verify footage coming from the IDF. In my opinion they are unrelated.
Dropping off enough fuel to run the hospital for half an hour? Who cares? It was a PR stunt that would have made no difference. 300 liters is a pittance, an insult, a photo op, a lie to make suckers who can’t conceptualize volume think they made an effort to help. 300 liters is less than 80 gallons. This would be enough diesel to run a generator for one RV at full capacity for about 3 days, not a hospital with a ton of lights and computers, a ventilation system and a bunch of kids on life support. They sent enough fuel for one family to go glamping for a weekend.
Don’t run all the lights and computers? Only the barebones essentials. There is math somewhere else in the thread, you should go read it. Some is better than nothing especially in terms of life support.
If you’re talking about the hospital bed math, then that comment can be completely ignored. It’s some random dude on the internet who googled how much electricity an ICU bed uses, and how much electricity some generator they found generates per hour per unit of fuel. That’s literally it.
Hospitals are complex systems that require a ton of power to run. Others who have experience in operations have said it would power minimum operations for about 30m.
If Israel wanted to demonstrate that the donated fuel was stolen, they could have had footage of people hopping out of a truck and loading up the fuel. If it just disappeared into the hospital and they think it was just added to the reserves they think are under the hospital, then their “proof” isn’t worth anything in this case.
They could have given nothing, 30 min of power is better than no power. . Seriously I don’t like how Israel treats the Palestinians but being angry they offered some fuel is pretty fucking stupid. Also don’t you find it strange Hamas isn’t using their smuggling routes for the people in any way? Iran and other support them but they can’t get fuel into hospitals? Shit, they brag about having tunnels everywhere use one to help people.
Look, if you have 50 starving families and you give them a Subway foot long roast beef sandwich, you shouldn’t be patting yourself on the back because it’s better than nothing and some dude on the internet asks Google and finds out that they get 8 calories each, which is enough for 30 seconds of metabolic activity, which is better than nothing.
And I am not addressing the morality of Hamas operational decisions or the veracity of their claims in any way. I suspect that the majority of their resources are occupied (no pun intended) with combat operations and are unavailable for civilian resupply efforts.
But the immorality of Hamas’ operations (if it is such) is not a justification for immorality on Israel’s part, except insofar as it has an operational impact on Israeli forces. Israel cannot say they are capable of supplying basic aid (or allowing the international community to do so) but the fact that Hamas is choosing not to themselves give up their food and fuel reserves justifies prevention of supply. I don’t know of any moral framework that would permit that.
You initiate an operation that you know will significantly disrupt civilian infrastructure including critical supplies. You know that the enemy organization you’re supposed to be concentrating your efforts against will be hoarding supplies to continue operations during lockdown. Therefore you know, before the first plane takes off, that you either need to take responsibility to maintain or create a supply line, or you’re doing what Israel is currently being accused of doing, which is starving out the civilian population indiscriminately. You can’t simply say “Someone else should do it” and have a morally defensible position, especially if your actions brought those conditions about.
A billionaire donating a single sandwich for millions is “better than nothing” but if that’s good enough for you in a massive humanitarian crisis you’re a self obsessed loser who cares more about making themselves feel good than actually doing something meaningfully useful.
I bet you flip quarters at homeless people and skip home thinking you did something today.
I never called it a good thing just better than nothing. Keep exaggerating to make it seem worse. Fuck just judge this situation based on what it is, instead of making dumb comparisons.
it's whataboutism, any time someone follows up a story like this with 'what about the time X did worse?'
it's literally the definition of whataboutism. if it weren't whataboutism, then we wouldn't be talking about the IDF. we'd instead be talking about the dude pretending to be a journalist by day, and a terrorist by night.
the fact that you don't know this means two things. either you know and are trying to deflect, or you just flat out don't know that's what whataboutism is.
Whataboutism can provide necessary context into whether or not a particular line of critique is relevant or fair, and behavior that may be imperfect by international standards may be appropriate in a given geopolitical neighborhood.
Accusing an interlocutor of whataboutism can also in itself be manipulative and serve the motive of discrediting, as critical talking points can be used selectively and purposefully even as the starting point of the conversation (cf. agenda setting, framing, framing effect, priming, cherry picking). The deviation from them can then be branded as whataboutism.
If true they cut off Internet to themselves, some powerful Arab neighbors, and Mumbai. Seems like a spectacularly stupid move. The bar is low for these idiots and yet they keep finding ways under it.
Go protest Hamas and tell me how far that gets you
And some comments insulting Aaron Bushnell’s sacrifice that have since been removed by a mod.
Also, you didn’t post that link, you just commented on it with that bullshit above, but it doesn’t seem like accuracy is too important to you.
I’m also happy to be called an asshole by you. I’ve seen what you like.
I still haven’t seen independent confirmation of the cable cutting from a non Israeli source, nor have I seen indications of a cut line on any of the looking glass servers I’ve checked. This bit is important, because we should be able to independently see the results of a cut sea cable.
Like, if jpost said the moon exploded, you should be able to go outside and see it the moon exploded yourself.
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Or how about this comment:
Nope. Wrong continent for that. Now if he was on active duty in the IDF you would have an argument.
in response to:
I truly beleive that this falls under sacrificing yourself to save lives
About Aaron Bushnell.
I called you a genocide lover because you are actively cheerleading genocide, and doing so in threads about a person that self-immolated in protest of the active, intentional genocide Israel is committing.
I still haven’t seen independent confirmation of the cable cutting from a non Israeli source, nor have I seen indications of a cut line on any of the looking glass servers I’ve checked. This bit is important, because we should be able to independently see the results of a cut sea cable.
I think the overall takeaway is that at least some cables took some kind of damage. Blaming Yemeni rebels might be nonsense, though - other actors in the area might have done it.
Yep. Oct 7th. Killing kids at a peace concert, praising it’s success at killing innocents and declaring that they want to have as many Oct 7ths as it takes to wipe Israel off the map.
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Not just the realities of war that everyone wants to pretend is genocide. But actual genocide, where they intentionally target an ethnic group for extermination.
And before people try to point out instances of them killing civilians, those fall with in the realities of war. That’s what happens when their targets continue to use civilians has human shields. If Israel WAS intentionally targeting civilians with the intention of extermination, the body count would be much, much higher. But they aren’t.
Again, these are the sad realities of war when your enemy continues to use places like schools to hide.
Here’s a thought. Let’s say Israel WAS just intentionally targeting citizens with the goal of genocide. If that’s the case, why do they suck so much at it? They have the ability to completely level Gaza. It would be over in a week. Why does it look like they are picking specific targets and not carpet bombing the whole area?
Gunning down journalists isn’t the “sad reality of war”. It’s an intentional war crime that also helps them control the narrative so people like you will get tricked into thinking the IDF isn’t a barbaric organization that kills indiscriminately.
Because that’s the reporting you’ve looked at. If you’re talking about the journalists they’ve sniped and bombed then yeah those were very intentional. Aside from that they very clearly don’t mind huge collateral when they strike Palestinian homes so in that respect, yes it’s very clearly indiscriminate.
This line of argument is curious though. Do you think that if their war crimes were deliberately done instead of indiscriminately would that absolve them in your mind?
Because all you’re doing is dancing around this human rights atrocity with semantics.
No no. Do not move the goal posts. This isn’t about war crimes. They absolutely are guilty of war crimes. But that’s not what we’re discussing. We are only discussing genocide.
A question was posed, what is the line that would make someone consider Israel’s actions to be on par with Nazi’s? My line was actual genocide. What Israel is doing just doesn’t fit that definition.
Only one side has been launching attacks with the sheer goal being “do as much damage and kill as many people as possible” and it’s not Israel.
You having that perspective shows how incomplete your understanding is.
And it’s also interesting how obtuse you’re being with the definition of a genocide.
In Gaza, the 2 million inhabitants are kept under a multi decade siege where they’ve been forced into complete economic collapse. They lock down the borders so 95% of those prisoners can’t get the tech to clean water so have to suffer with disease ridden sludge. The average Gazan lives on two slices of bread per day. When extremists are hiding there the IDF will destroy all of their civilian infrastructure to get them with no care for how this will ruin the prisoners quality of life further. 60% of Gazans are 18 and under. I’ll say that again, Gazans are majority children at this point because Israel has killed so many of their parents (the vast majority not being Hamas members)
In the West Bank right wing settlers go out with IDF soldiers to gun down Palestinians and remove them from their homes. This is the region without Hamas by the way. This has also been happening longer than Gaza has been under siege, as the occupation of Gaza only became a siege when Hamas grew into power (with massive help from extremist Zionists in the Israeli government).
Just because they aren’t gassing them and setting up firing lines doesn’t mean they aren’t being slowly eradicated. Unlike the Nazis, they need good global pr to keep the billions of foreign investment flowing so of course they’re playing the optics game.
Israel is literally destroying Palestinian culture with their colonization and ruthless destruction. The Israeli Likud party is on record with their desire for a one state solution and how they propped up Hamas to make that solution more viable than the two state solution that Rabin and Arafat almost had in place before Zionists assassinated the Israeli Rabin to get Netanyahu in power.
I haven’t moved goalposts, you’re refusing to acknowledge their existence. A slow genocide is still a genocide, it just hides behind plausible deniability that people like you eat up uncritically. Much like China with the Uighurs.
You replied about the schools, but not the refugee camp. Does that one make you uncomfortable?
If that’s the case, why do they suck so much at it?
Assuming you’re naive and not trolling, it’s to maintain plausible deniability. Just look at what China is doing. They’ve slow rolled their genocides and the world is largely turning a blind eye. Bibi wasn’t clever enough to realize that though apparently.
Nope, same feeling. The refugee camp was a series of multi-storied buildings with permanent infrastructure. It was a camp in name only. People were living there for years, and Hamas cowardly hid behind them.
My overall point is, none of Israels targets are selected with the goal being “kill as many Palestinians as possible”. They are being heavy handed and don’t have a lot of concern for collateral damage, but it is not an actual, literal, genocide. That’s the line.
Thinking they’re just maintaining plausible deniability and slow rolling it is such a stupid take, I don’t even know where to begin. I think even you know that doesn’t match up with reality.
TLDR: Genocide is OK because my team is doing it. Let me explain why these warcrimes don’t matter.
Thinking they’re just maintaining plausible deniability and slow rolling it is such a stupid take, I don’t even know where to begin. I think even you know that doesn’t match up with reality.
You must have a hard time with reading comprehension. I said China is slow rolling which is why the world turns a blind eye. Bibi went to hard out of the gate and now everyone is watching.
Unless you’re also denying China’s genocide against the Uyghurs too?
I guess expecting reading comprehension was asking too much out of a Genocide and warcrimes apologist.
I think a better comparison is the Berlin Wall. Palestinians have blue and green pass cards that dictate where they can go. Or even a Separate But Equal, ala American segregation. I mean Palestinians are limited to certain hospitals, denied utilities and free travel. They drive on separate roads, walled off from the Israeli roads.
… But then thats just the ones outside Gaza. Gazans can’t leave and spend their days in abhorrent poverty, now while dodging bombs.
Don’t get me wrong: what Israel is doing is absolutely atrocious. But the Nazis engaged in a deliberate effort to depopulate Europe’s Jews. In 1933, there were about 9.5 million Jews in Europe. The Nazis murdered 6 million Jews, and only stopped because they lost the war. In 1900 there were ~590k German Jews. Only about 28k survived the holocaust.
If Israel were trying to replicate the holocaust on the Palestinians, they’d be doing a shit job of it. The Palestinian population has grown literally every year, despite all the disproportionate retributions. The situation in Gaza is terrible and Palestinians have faced a lot of repression, but it’s not really very similar to the Holocaust.
Weird how both you and the other guy have prepared statements already to deny that this is a Israeli genocide of Gazans just like the Holocaust was the German genocide of Jews.
They are on the same level. You don’t want to admit that because you’re trying to defend it.
Nazis also denied they were committing genocide for as long as possible. It was a good tactic to round up as many Jews as possible before people caught wind of what was going on.
They are on the same level. You don’t want to admit that because you’re trying to defend it.
I’m not saying Israel is good, here.
I’m saying that the depravity of the Nazis was next level. That they were completely inhumane monsters. What have you seen that even comes close to something like the sheer depravity of Josef Mengele? The industrialized death of Treblinka? The Nazis literally wiped out the entire Jewish population of Kyiv overnight; over 30k people were massacred in a single event, buried in a particular ravine and only 29 people managed to escape.
What israeli massacres have you seen that even come close to that? I’m being serious, here. Bombing a refugee camp or sniping kids at a protest is pretty fucking bad, but it’s not nazi bad.
Can you show me where the IDF had a doctor take two Palestinian twin children, cut open their backs, sew them back together back to back?
Or infect one twin with typhoid and then do an organ transplant from that one to the other?
Does an IDF doctor have a wall of different colored eyeballs harvested from Palestinians?
Remove their bones, muscles, and nerves without anesthesia?
Maybe attach a 7 year old girl’s urinary tract to her own colon?
The Holocaust is in its own category for a reason, and just because it’s become posh to compare literally everything to it or Hitler doesn’t mean that those things are actually comparable.
Right, but unless those children are then being put in ovens and burnt to ash, it’s literally not a Holocaust which gets its name from the type of animal sacrifice in antiquity where the whole animal was burnt to ash.
That’s why the Holocaust is called the Holocaust.
We can still talk about genocide as a bad thing like the Armenian genocide, or Russian actions in Ukraine, or what happened in Rawanda, etc.
But none of those were Holocausts, and neither is this.
I’d switch, but I’ve been on the Capy system my whole life, and it’s just much more intuitive for me. Everyone knows how long a Capybara is. How fucking long a meter is? Beats the fuck out of me, maybe a half cap?
Look I think the joke is as funny as anyone else but the “unit” is an animal most of the Americans its meant to lampoon most likely wouldn’t have even heard of.
And we’ll misapply it as well. The asteroid isn’t the size of 1000 capybaras, it’s as wide as 1000 capybaras lined up. Assuming it’s roughly spherical, it’s actually closer to the size of 524,000,000 capybaras.
Asteroids can be wildly non-spherical though, in shapes way different than capybara non-sphericalities, so it’s not only misapplied but likely also nonsensical… unless, it’s a giant capybara shaped asteroid.
True, but we’re only given the one measurement and can only assume it to be true and accurate. Even if it is non-spherical, so long as the “diameter” given is a true average we can treat it as spherical for this purpose. And, the 1000 capybaras “measurement” is still of by many orders of magnitude.
I’m a bit disappointed with the hypocrisy of some commenters here.
So many very questionable articles, posts and statements that can’t be verified regarding IDF crimes get treated as the absolute truth. Yet a statement regarding a fake story, verified by Hamas and Al Jazeera, gets reported and isn’t trustworthy, since it’s from an institution aligned with Israel?
Nobody is saying JPost is lying about this. They're saying that the conclusion they reach (that Hamas and Al-Jazeera lied and Al-Jazeera is a Qatari mouthpiece) is disingenuous as fuck.
Wait, what's inaccurate about that? Hamas lies all the time and nobody with any brain cells left regards Al-Jazeera as anything but the media wing of the Qatari dictatorship.
It’s not in dispute. Al Jazeera is literally the state media of Qatar. Their reporting speaks for itself. They follow none of the usual rules of ethical journalism. The hallmarks of their reporting is anonymous and dateless reports taken and published as fact, no disclaimers when reports are unverified, citations to itself, failing to seek and report comment from involved parties, and constant inflammatory and loaded language.
Yeah I just stopped taking any comments on the fediverse on this topic seriously. People on here are often the extreme left or right it seems. And to have any nuisance gets you yelled at by both.
To me it demonstrated what I was already suspecting, that the far left is just as susceptible to misinformation as the far right. They usually have good intentions (apart from tankies), unlike people on the far right, but they are just as easily misled and painfully unaware of it.
i think at this point the term useful idiot can aptly describe the far left,good intented but some how causing more harm than good.
Don’t get me wrong,the far right is also the same,only i consider the far right crazy to begin with and there are also useful idiots there but just more pronounced in the far left.
A lot of Israel crimes are documented by videos, it doesn’t mean that there is no fake news to make Israel looks even words. Pro israel do the same thing they believe everything IDF says with no proof.
I don’t know. These plenty of weaponized information going both ways. Articles like this do it best because of the gotcha manner, enraging people. This article seems to be pretty successful in that manner.
The one big hypocrisy is that there’s clearly one side that bans reporters from entering the area. Therefore obscuring the unbiased news gathering. This leads to mud flinging and biased reporting on both sides, inflaming the readership.
We’re being played, threads like this are a battlefield. Are you confident enough that you’re not the baddies?
As much as I wish the hostages can be freed, real politic says it’d be fucking idiotic of them to do so.
If they do agree to the ceasefire, they’ll continue to be slowly wiped out like they have by settlers and other apartheid policies over the past 70 years as soon as it ends - if Israel doesn’t break the truce early or just focuses purely on the West Bank who wouldn’t be part of the deal and who continue to be oppressed, kicked off their land, kidnapped, or murdered by Israel even without Hamas there.
Whereas right now is probably the most success they’ve ever had against Israel, large swathes of millennials and Zoomers worldwide are completely turned off supporting them after witnessing the genocidal unfolding. Meaning the future of western political support for Israel could dry up over the following decades as more boomers pass on.
I really don’t see how this could possibly be “the most success they’ve ever had against Israel.” Public support is still very much mixed, Israeli support has been all but fucking obliterated as the country shifts hard right in response, Gaza has been predictably utterly devastated, and the settler fuckwits are being given a blind eye by both the Israeli government and people now to thoroughly escalate their intrusions and crimes. The only “success” to come out of this entire situation is that Hamas I guess, as well as Likudnik ahitheads and worse, are reapectively experiencing massive rally round the flag gains.
More people know about the Palestinian conflict and Israeli war crimes than ever before. Plus, for a brief moment, the deaths on the Israeli side were higher than on the Palestinian side for the first time. It’s also the only time they’ve had a large number of hostages to use as leverage for a deal.
If your fundamental goals are dead people and just publicity, sure, then I guess this was a roaring success. Typically success for matters is defined by advancing, say, the freedom and dignity of the Palestinians suffering under oppression, though. And by that very reasonable metric, no, this whole thing has been a catastrophic failure on the part of Hamas, the group that (violently) usurped governance of Gaza years ago. There is unlikely, and this was predictable from the get-go, to be any substantive advancement of the benefit of the Palestinian people, or Gazans in particular. A random lemmy poster put it on a perfectly succinct and correct manner when reports of 10/7 first came out–Hamas shot every single Palestinian in both Gaza and the West Bank square in the dick this time.
Oh they definitely fucked up. You won’t hear any argument on that from me. We all saw it coming that day. But if I was them, I would also realize that it becomes especially worthless if they lose all their hostages, too.
And that’s the worst part. I can only assume the millenials and gen z don’t support Hamas, but don’t want to see Palestinians obliterated by an unchecked club bouncer from Jersey.
And for any right-wing chucklefuck that says they deserve it because they elected Hamas, desparate people always pick a heavy-handed solution because they have nowhere else to turn. Look at the rise of right and/or left authoritarianism in the past century. Look at the economic and social factors involved.
Look, I’m going to suggest sidestepping the fact that an article about what Gazaans want cites IDF spokespeople and “Reports from Palestinian media” without actually citing any and ask a question I don’t see enough.
What instructive lessons does the article provide? What should we do based on this?
If we assume the article is 100% true, we should be demanding a ceasefire and the establishment of a peace process. If this article is true, then the IDF campaign is a horrific humanitarian disaster that is punishing Gazaans and establishing a condition in which Hamas’ power is unshakable within Gaza. There’s no room for a political challenger, and there’s no safe space to criticize Hamas. There’s no possibility of revolution or political protest, because everyone is starving and there is no social or communication infrastructure.
I’m now going to address the elephant in the room: the article is useless as a piece of journalism, because it consists of an unreliable media outlet relying entirely on unreliable sources. I’m not saying it’s wrong, just that it has no credibility or facts. From what I’ve read, Hamas was highly unpopular before the war, but has become far more popular as they’ve established themselves as the only group willing and able to challenge what looks to Palestinians like Netanyahu’s attempt at genocide. You can read about this in the AP, which is an actual news source citing an actual poll:
But guess what? If Gazaans want to overthrow Hamas, we need a ceasefire. If the war has made Hamas more popular, then we need a ceasefire.
The war is a disaster. It is a failure in every measure except the intended ones: it’s an exercise in vengence, an attempt for the humiliated generals to massage their bruised egos, and an ongoing attempt by Netanyahu to keep his only remaining supporters – Jewish supremacists – happy while he tries to stay out of jail.
In every other measure – rescuing hostages, securing Israeli safety, defeating Hamas – this is an unmitigated disaster that we need to stop.
This, hamas is actually a peaceful organization that actually listens to people’s demand and abides by democratic and progressive principles, unlike israeli genocidal apartheid nazi neo-fascist conservative totalitarian anti-lgbt islamist regime who was pretending to be progressive at first, so yes we should make a cease fire right now and trust hamas so that we can retrieve the captured soldiers (or hostages if you are a nazi) and give them what they want and stop the cycle from repeating
i am so glad that there is still some nuance left on this website.
But Shikaki cautions that higher support for Hamas should not be over-stated, at least not yet. As more Palestinians come to terms with the atrocities committed by Hamas on October 7, so attitudes could change — though that is unlikely to be the case so long as Gaza remains under massive attack.
Important again is how many people have watched videos from October 7 and the differences between the territories. In Gaza, 25% of those asked said they had viewed such videos; and 16% of all respondents told researchers Hamas had committed war crimes. In the West Bank, the corresponding numbers were just 7% and 1%.
Gaza is moving out of denial more quickly than the West Bank, Shikaki says, and that means a reckoning for Hamas. Already, only 38% of Gazans want to see the militant group return to governance after the war.
Hamas builds their terror infrastructure under Gazan Hospitals, Mosques, and Schools knowing when they've finally provoked the Israelis to invade the feckless antisemitic west will pressure Israel to stop before destroying them.
Gas for Hospitals prevents the "Progressive" cunts from screaming GENOCIDE, while "Palestinian" headcount has only increased a hundred fold in the last 75 years.
Hamas builds their terror infrastructure under Gazan Hospitals
It's absolutely possible - probable even in my mind, but I've yet to see this verified independently. The Israeli government insists it is so, but hasn't to my knowledge proof.
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