I don't mean to be all political, but I do not think killing over 3,000 children, including premature babies, is the best way to show that you condemn terrorist violence.
@KFuentesGeorge
"In order for me to write poetry that isn't political
I must listen to the birds.
And in order to hear the birds
the war planes must be silent."
@KFuentesGeorge The issue that bothers me the most about this war is the preventable deaths of innocent people in Gaza that will happen if hospitals don’t receive fuel (and other essential supplies). My kids have all had lifesaving treatment during their childhood, ranging from appendectomy, through heart catheterization to treatment for a rare kidney disease. It tears me up that kids in Gaza with these same conditions could die. #MedicalTxIsHumanRight#WarCrimes
A good question is why people are more upset with Israel than Hamas, who initiated this conflict, blocked people from seeking safe refuge, and stole the generator fuel those babies need?
Who are you looking at that's not upset with Hamas, Rabbi? Who are these "people," other than deranged maniacs? Do you not understand that both Hamas AND the Netanyahu clique can be bad at the same time? The difference is, nobody except the most insane lunatics are defending Hamas, whereas the entire US foreign policy apparatus and the majority of the US media is defending everything Israel does.
Thank you for clarifying. We can all agree that this destruction is heartbreaking. The only disagreement is how to remove the root cause, Hamas.
Israel has made peace with Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, the PLO, UAE, Saudi Arabia, etc. The People of Gaza deserve a Government that represents their interests, but Hamas will not allow that as long as it exists. They have also spend nearly 2 decades embedding themselves in the civilian population to ensure that there would be a grave death toll by design in any attempt to root them out. Israel has a track record of peace. Hamas robs food from the mouths of their own children to make war.
Hamas has a very effective propaganda machine designed to hide their actions and demonize their enemy, the Jewish People (according to their original charter). Hamas formed the Gaza Health Ministry in order to be the only source of information and to control the narrative. Blessings of peace to you and the world. שלום
@KFuentesGeorge No more children — or non-combatant adults — need die. All it takes is for Hamas to release their violently- and illegally-taken hostages.
Hamas is responsible for every injury, every death. Every. Single. One.
@firstprimate@KFuentesGeorge Let me help you out here. Hamas are terrorists. Gaza hasn’t been “occupied” by Israel since 2007. Prior to 1979, Gaza was occupied by Egypt, and prior to to that by the UK, and prior to that the Ottomans. . .
Terrorism against Jewish residents of Israel began long before any “occupation” and only grew in intensity after the 1995 Oslo Accords. I, too, would like to see Israel leave the territories —but even when that happened, terrorism against Israelis will continue.
I am baffled at your geopolitical knowledge. Prior to the latest Hamas attack, Israel's blockade on imports of fuel and parts to Gaza meant Gazans had to rely on donkeys for medical, educational, and employment related transportation.
Donkeys.
Then Israel blockaded Gazans for getting the donkeys.
The fact that that, ALONG WITH the documented occupation in the West Bank (where, need I remind you, Palestinians also live), is not "irrelevant," as you so blithely put it. It's incredible how able you are to recognize Hamas' brutality, but utterly refuse to see the literal apartheid and ethnic cleansing by the Netanyahu government.
@KFuentesGeorge@firstprimate I’m so glad you’re impressed; but really, you’re the one glossing over reality. Billions are flowing into Gaza — and yet, as you say: donkeys. Israel (which originally hoped for a strong Gaza economy) did not blockade the region prior to Hamas violently seizing power.
Meanwhile, of course, Gazans’ fellow Arabs in Egypt maintain a foot on Gaza’s throat. Funny how that never seems to come up.
The pogrom came from Gaza, not the WB. And again, as a reminder: Arab violence against Jews in Israel far predated any so-called occupation, and has only intensified as Palestinians have been ceded more and more territory. If there is a correlation between occupation and violence, it’s a negative one.
You’re defending terrorists who burn babies alive in their homes — civilian homes targeted by the terrorists for violence. As I said: own it.
It is WILD to me that a statement like, "Hey, maybe wantonly killing Palestinians is also bad" somehow means I love baby-murdering terrorists, but I suppose Mastodon is ALSO home to dumb bad faith arguments! Who knew?*
In the past three weeks, you’ve used this platform to condemn Israel, TERFs, and Soundcore Flare speakers. Nothing about the horrific actions of Hamas. Forgive me if it seems a bit disingenuous that you care about the tragic loss of Israeli children, some of whom are still being held as hostages. You seem to be very selective about the babies you are willing to speak up for.
@suqdiq@KFuentesGeorge I understand the problem. The USA has a fleet of hospital ships that could take them. It will take some courage on Biden's part to arrange it. People outside the war are trying to work up various means of evacuation. I hope it's not too late. Israel should stop now. It's made its point.
@suqdiq@johnshirley2024@KFuentesGeorge Egypt. Qatar. Saudi Arabia. Even Lebanon. Why aren’t the Arab states stepping up? Why is it you don’t realize there are plenty of places to take these children?
Also know there is fuel stored in the tunnels. Hamas keeps it for war, not for saving babies.
Sure, Hamas is defending Palestine and is their only government rn, but that doesn't mean we give them a pass for being terrorists - a word I use carefully unlike western governments.
I'd like to know if the narrative of hamas hoarding fuel has been proven or debunked anywhere.
@finn1sher@LevZadov@MiriShuli@suqdiq@KFuentesGeorge Hamas murders gay people. It murdered many non-combatant innocents in its recent incursion. I don't support Israel all-out either. They've made their point and they should stop now.
@johnshirley2024@LevZadov@MiriShuli@suqdiq@KFuentesGeorge Yeah, I just made my own post about this attempting to clear up some misconceptions. Absolutely hate both parties involved and don't want to see either of them continue to govern at this point.
@johnshirley2024@finn1sher@LevZadov@suqdiq@KFuentesGeorge John, from a military/security perspective they cannot stop this time. Since ‘67 they have tried, sometimes seriously, sometimes half-heartedly to find a way to peace. These terrorists are too sophisticated and well financed. They simply cannot leave Hamas in Gaza. Hamas could surrender and end this on a dime. As Golda told Biden, “we have no where else to go”.
@redflag@finn1sher@LevZadov@MiriShuli@suqdiq@KFuentesGeorge I totally support the right of the Palestinian people to their own Republic; I condemn Israel's expansion into settlements, its military ruthlessness that harms the innocent. I condemn war crimes on both sides. But I also support the right of Israelis to their Jewish state, and their right to defend themselves.
@johnshirley2024@redflag@LevZadov@MiriShuli@suqdiq@KFuentesGeorge "I totally support the right of the Palestinian people to their own republic; I condemn Israel's expansion into settlements, its military ruthlessness that harms the innocent. I condemn war crimes on both sides. But I also support the right of Israelis to their Jewish state, and their right to defend themselves."
Great! I agree with you, as long as self defence isn't used to justify more expansion and attacks.
@redflag@finn1sher@LevZadov@MiriShuli@suqdiq@KFuentesGeorge But that's not the right to defend I support. I do think some retaliation is understandable, and some kind of incursion to try to rescue hostages (very difficult to rescue though as they're in deep tunnels). I regard Hamas as a terrorist organization, and also one that's criminally oppressive to women and LGBT. Palestinians, as I understand it, are stuck with Hamas rather than supporting it.
@johnshirley2024@redflag@finn1sher@LevZadov@suqdiq@KFuentesGeorge John, why are people of Gaza stuck with Hamas? I’m asking the question sincerely. I’ve never lived anywhere but the USA, so I realize I am naive. But I cannot imagine tolerating a terroist being my next door neighbor. Why are 2.5 million people ruled by a terrorist org they don’t like or support?
@johnshirley2024@redflag Canada avoided the worst of the school shooting crisis by having sane legislation nationwide, instead of the US's hodgepodge.
They recently went further than necessary and banned handguns and most rifles. Either way, guns must be locked out and stored with the ammo separate, and more importantly, you can't just walk around with a handgun or have rifles on the back of a truck.
The NRA isn't terrorist, just "Industry for rolling back the US's concerningly weak laws."
@MiriShuli@redflag@finn1sher@LevZadov@suqdiq@KFuentesGeorge Because the terrorists are armed and they aren't. Because Hamas is historically entrenched--hence they're in miles of deep, reinforced tunnels, where the hostages are kept, under the area--because it's not easy to get out of Gaza where your family has a life...Hamas has support from Iran and other areas...the average Gazan has nothing of the kind. They must try and keep their head down and make a living and protect family.
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