So according to Eugen, he's been using XMPP during a time when people let their desktop PCs run all the time, which is ideal for XMPP's requirement to maintain an active connection from sender to recipient in order to actually deliver messages.
But when the world transitioned from desktop PCs to mobile phones, XMPP's requirement to stay always on was just not practical, and the world moved on from XMPP and onto other platforms.
The only way people used XMPP was through Facebook and Google Talk, but the mainstream really didn't have a strong appreciation for XMPP.
According to Eugen, Email is still going strong because everyone knows how to work with it
Effectively, embracing, extending, extinguishing is just not a thing for email yet.
I have previously expressed how much I am against the EEE argument, but considering that there is this linked post from someone who actually has experience with working at a company that does engage in EEE, I guess I should check my opinions about EEE at the door, shut up, and hear out the concerns from people. https://mas.to/@andthisismrspeacock/111588768178247161
The fear and reaction regarding the possibility of Meta enacting "embrace, extend, extinguish" of ActivityPub and the rest of the Fediverse is starting to feel a lot like a self-fulfilling prophecy.
"I can't interact with my friends on Threads from my server that has Threads blocked. I guess I'll just join Threads so that I can finally interact with them on Threads"
On a technical level, being able to leave is ideal.
I'm just calling out the drama behind the motivation of defederating Threads.
Go ahead, defederate them. Valid reasons being "I don't like Meta", or "I don't like Zuck." I can respect those reasoning.
But I can't respect the speculative reasoning that federating with them will empower Meta to "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" (EEE)
People will leave to the bigger instance, if it means having their friends in the same place.
Federating is great way to have "friends in the same place". Defederating Threads will force people to move to instances that either Federates with Threads, or just have them flat out leave the rest of the Fediverse to join and stay on Threads.
In the latter case, the network dies off, and all efforts by Meta to have Threads federate is just not worth it if they already have a large userbase and MAU. No need for EEE; the Fediverse is digging its own grave.
Some folks from social.coop are doing an amazing job of mapping out the arguments for and against federating with Meta's Chains(1) server, if and when it starts federating over AP:
(1) I refuse to call it "Threads", as I see this as an attempt to trademark and thus privatise a generic term commonly used in the verse, and the web in general.
Here's a story that illustrates why I favour federating with Chains ("Threads"), even though I'm opposed to Meta's very existence.
Alice and Bob follow each other on InstaGrope. Alice, being more of an early adopter, signs up for Chains, and convinces Bob to do the same. Then Chains turns on AP federation. Alice realises she can still follow and talk to all the same people on Chains from other fediverse servers, and moves to one.
I was just wondering - what's the point of #AntiMetaFediPact?
A huge selling point of #Mastodon is that nothing interferes your feed. Why not let users decide which domain to block?
Tensions are running high over the imminent entry of InstaGrope into the verse, via Meta's Threads server. Some of you may have noticed me speaking up against the Anti-Fedi Meta Pact, and I want to clarify a few things I think are important.
I'm not arguing against admins moderating their servers' relationships with others. That's nobody's business but theirs. If an admin makes a case-by-case decision to defederate from Threads, well, that's fediverse moderation working as intended.
I have total faith in the good intentions of the people behind the Anti-Meta Fedi Pact. I applaud people's willingness to make a public stand against any DataFarmers, especially Meta. We are on the same side here.
What I'm trying to do, with all my comments on this, is to argue for a different strategic approach. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong. I trust everyone involved to use their own best judgment and decide for themselves.
@strypey
Between that, the removal of anonymity that Insta/Meta/Threads requires for the use of their app, the potential for overloading of small Fedi servers with cybertrash, & the goal of keeping the Fediverse independent from corporate capitalist control, I see no issue whatsoever with the #AntiMetaFediPact, and I continue to endorse & support it. We didn't leave Twitter & Bluesky just to have Zuckerberg attempt a buyout to impose the same nonsense here.
Since Meta is trying to federate us, I'll be locking down my account to private until the Meta instance is up an running and until I can block it entirely. The reason I do that, because this way, no one can follow me from that instance, so my account data would not get pulled out to Meta's instance. :)
Sorry for the inconvenience! #AntiMeta#Meta#AntiMetaFediPact#Threads#FediBlock
I have huge respect for Jon Gruber - especially after his brave and empathetic talk on the many harms of public shaming ("Cancel Culture") - so I'm going to take some time to unpack this.
Diese Aufregung über #Meta bzw. den #FediPact finde ich schräg.
Manche Leute scheinen umgehend in ihre Schützengräben zu springen. Die einen sehen Meta als die einzige Rettung des Fediverse, die anderen als unmittelbar nahenden Untergang. 🙄
Leute, kriegt euch ein!
Dieses Schwarz-Weiß-Denken ist weder hilfreich noch überhaupt angebracht. Momentan gibt's eigentlich nur einen Haufen Gerüchte – sich aufgrund dessen so zu ereifern ist Quatsch.
Vor allem: attackiert euch nicht gegenseitig!
@xela
Ich bin kein Fan von Meta aber ich verstehe diesen #AntiMetaFediPact nicht. Warum sollte man ein Soziales Netzwerk betreiben und pauschal Kontakt mit all den Meta-Usern ausschließen, anstatt das als Chance für das Fediverse raus aus der Nische zu sehen?
Habe allerdings ohnehin das Gefühl, dass hier einige ein offenes soziales Netzwerk wollen, aber bitte ohne Offenheit und bitte nicht so viel soziales.