SeanCasten, to random
@SeanCasten@mastodon.social avatar

This is a say-the-quiet-part-out-loud story. Crypto generally, and tether specifically are really useful if you want to avoid international sanctions / anti-money laundering. Bad actors are saying so, quite explicitly. https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/venezuela-accelerate-cryptocurrency-shift-oil-sanctions-return-2024-04-22/

wjmaggos,
@wjmaggos@liberal.city avatar

@SeanCasten

just like with music piracy etc, interest in crypto would lessen if we had better ways to transfer money. sounds good but it seems to be stalled. it needs to be an open protocol like we use here so that we can build it into applications. no middleman like PayPal, Patreon or credit card companies. the simplicity of sending $5 or $500 (or even pennies) once or recurring from me@mybank.com to you@yourbank.com w/o big fees. govt oversight is fine. track it in our banking apps.

mike, to fediverse
@mike@flipboard.social avatar

In order for the open social web to happen at scale, lots of companies and apps, big and small, need to adopt . Threads is the largest player so far to do this and the implications are huge.

Why is doing this? Is federation just another feature or is it foundational to their entire experience? How is the Threads team thinking about moderation, monetization and privacy in these early days and going forward?

I asked @rklambo and @pcottle, two thoughtful and genuine leaders on the Threads team who joined me on the latest episode of . Check it out on our instance or wherever you get your podcasts.

https://flipboard.video/w/2q29uCjnHjot1CHu1CZBim

wjmaggos, (edited )
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@mike @rklambo @pcottle

maybe you were trying to push them in this direction, but what we need from somebody as powerful as is help building a decentralized standard to transfer money (not crypto). as easy as sending $5 from me@mybank.com to you@yourbank.com with the ability to build apps around it. To directly pay for servers, apps, media etc. I don't see how it would help them but it's so needed and it would probably require their resources and connections to make happen.

adam, to random
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wjmaggos,
@wjmaggos@liberal.city avatar

@ChadF @adam

got a link? promises to be a fully fiat solution, right? except it wouldn't/couldn't be as international afaik.

nivrig, (edited ) to random
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wjmaggos,
@wjmaggos@liberal.city avatar

@accretionist @yogthos @nivrig

I'm unconvinced but maybe. I don't get why we can't do this with banks and some new @w3c money transfer protocol. is just now rolling out in the US.

Decentralize, to random
@Decentralize@dt.gl avatar

End the

SeanCasten, to random
@SeanCasten@mastodon.social avatar

We have to shut down those crypto networks that are being used to finance to terrorist activity. We also have to make sure that the bills that passed through the Financial Services Committee this year to make money laundering easier never see the floor. https://thehill.com/opinion/congress-blog/4284052-stopping-future-crypto-financed-terrorism/

wjmaggos,
@wjmaggos@liberal.city avatar

@SeanCasten

don't you think people should have as much freedom to give money privately to whoever they want? I think the ability to control this is similar to limiting speech. It takes money to do political organizing, for example. I don't like crypto generally, but I also don't like too few corporations being our available middlemen in transferring funds. It should be as decentralized and simple as email etc imo. That would unleash a lot of innovation.

darnell, to twitter
@darnell@one.darnell.one avatar

🤣😂🤣 wants me to replace my bank with #X / , the latter tolerates terrorists & Nazis‽

For years I have used & for transactions, & I do not trust them to be my bank. Why would I give over my money to a company who tolerates psychos‽

👉🏾 Elon Musk predicts X will replace banks in 2024 - The Verge https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/26/23934216/x-twitter-bank-elon-musk-2024

wjmaggos,
@wjmaggos@liberal.city avatar

@darnell

needs to get their shit together.

finestructure, to random
@finestructure@mastodon.social avatar

Operating •and• developing Mastodon on this budget is nothing short of amazing.

It’s also unsustainable and we should make sure we don’t just pay for our third party Mastodon clients but donate to the core project.

https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2023/10/annual-report-2022

wjmaggos,
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@silverpill @finestructure @Selena @njan @Gargron

thank you. can you elaborate on your last sentence? because something like would need to be involved? it would be much better than what we have now, right?

wjmaggos, to random
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What if there was a decentralized support option built into every application? It ties into your banking app but also lets you one-click into a page with information from the developer. How much they make from how many people and what they are spending it on. Privacy and security. What improvements are coming. Transparent, sustainable software built on a healthy relationship between users and the developer. As a very visible alternative to fucking us for the shareholders/investors.

wjmaggos,
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@c060b31fe2bbb0be4d393bc7c40a80@mostr.pub

maybe. I'm divided between the problems we still have with crypto and the outside control using something like would allow.

wjmaggos, to random
@wjmaggos@liberal.city avatar

I'm optimistic about politics long-term because facts beat ideology, eventually.

wjmaggos,
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@jack

incentives matter and right now, we have both partisan/ideological cultures and business models that push for biased narratives. the first probably requires changes to our education system. re the latter, could we set up individual pools of money each month that got automatically distributed to creators based on what we read, watch and listen to? media players and reading apps hooked up to the fedi and a decentralized Patreon. imo via not crypto. paywalls are bad for democracy.

smaurizi, to random
@smaurizi@mastodon.social avatar

I stand in solidarity with 's and for the donation blockade by .
It's NOT up to credit card firms or digital payment companies or crowdfunding platforms to decide what we should publish/read.
Read 's report:

https://thedissenter.org/gofundme-grayzone-stopped-using-fundraising-platform/

wjmaggos,
@wjmaggos@liberal.city avatar

@smaurizi

wish they were here. we need to decentralize money transfer next. it needs to be bank app to bank app, no middlemen like GoFundMe or PayPal etc. and no crypto, that's way too difficult and prone to mistakes for most people. hoping to see help with this.

randahl, to random
@randahl@mastodon.social avatar

57 percent of republican voters prefer a presidential candidate who faces 91 criminal charges over any other unindicted candidate.

No, not 5,7 percent — 57 percent want the criminal to sign the laws of the country.

Mind-blowing. 🤯

wjmaggos,
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@hosford42 @accretionist @randahl

I think the key would be something like a decentralized patreon that we could tie directly into our instances (and lots of other stuff). may help with that.

to me, the goal is attention democracy. ads mean somebody else can buy our attention. I've always hated them. very similar to somebody locking you into a server and deciding what you see. if they were the only way to pay for no algos and decentralization, I guess I'd accept it.

FuckElon, to twitter
@FuckElon@mastodon.social avatar

If FedNow is anything like the Brazilian PIX, it will be game over for a lot of these Cash transfer companies. As it should. So this "Xpanding" Musk is planning might be dead on arrival.

#X

anildash, to random
@anildash@me.dm avatar

This is genuinely exciting news — the fed has launched its system for doing instant electronic payments, with 35 institutions already signed on. Ask your credit union or bank when they’re launching support for it. (And note which tech media give coverage to bullshit claims from fascist CEOs purporting to build apps for this purpose, vs. actual real implementations that serve everyone.) https://explore.fednow.org/

nemobis,
@nemobis@mamot.fr avatar

@JMarkOckerbloom The difference is that it doesn't use ACH, so bank transfers in the USA might over time become more similar to those in the euro area. Settlement in 20 seconds means the banks are in charge of reverting transactions etc., not a middleman.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=FedNow&oldid=1166388770

timkmak, (edited ) to random
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Are you finding Mastodon to be less vibrant/active?

I’m worried that we are not getting as much engagement on our Ukraine war reporting as we used to.

We’re trying to decide which social media platforms to continue posting on, given how much effort it takes to replicate across all of them.

If you want to send a signal to us that we should keep posting here, will you sign up for our newsletter? http://Counteroffensive.substack.com

I’m only asking Mastodon users today so we can gauge impact.

wjmaggos,
@wjmaggos@liberal.city avatar

@timkmak

ASAP start taking donations directly via . get off Substack, Threads and any other corporate social media with ads and algorithms where somebody else can decide what your followers see or take some of the money people want to give you. run your own blog and remove any paywalls. run your own Mastodon server via masto.host if necessary. be truly independent. explain to whoever will listen why everyone needs to move here if they care about honest news. please.

itnewsbot, to medical
@itnewsbot@schleuss.online avatar

Banks serving as guinea pigs for Federal Reserve’s instant payments system - Enlarge (credit: fatido | iStock Unreleased)

Yesterday, the US... - https://arstechnica.com/?p=1955684

majorlinux, to Finance
@majorlinux@toot.majorshouse.com avatar

Y'all just now coming up with this?!

The Federal Reserve’s 24/7 payment system could deposit your paycheck instantly https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/20/23802277/federal-reserve-fednow-instant-payment-service

nemobis, to random
@nemobis@mamot.fr avatar

With the launch of , the USA might finally start catching up to the work done in the euro area since the 1990s with (recently T2+TIPS).

It's funny to read the online commentary on certain anglocentric fora, which completely ignores the rest of the world. As PK happened to write on the same day, «Americans, however, have always had a hard time learning from other countries' experience. A return of economic triumphalism will reinforce that insular tendency».
https://web.archive.org/web/20230720232040/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/20/opinion/american-economny-europe-triumphalism.html

wjmaggos, to random
@wjmaggos@liberal.city avatar

I don't want to manage my own crypto. I just want to easily and securely transfer and receive money directly from and to my bank account. To and from anyone. No need to agree on a middleman service like PayPal or Venmo etc. Just as long as we know something as simple as each other's email address. I think will get us there.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/fed-launches-new-payments-system-that-lets-you-send-money-in-seconds-140305052.html

DataDrivenMD, to random
@DataDrivenMD@fedified.com avatar

Folks still spending too much time worrying about how Meta might monetize the Fediverse and not enough time figuring out how to make the Fediverse financially sustainable. Is the "plan" to live off donations forever? Is it to hope that everyone self-hosts? If so, how are they supposed to gain that knowledge, and how are systemic inequities factored into this "plan"?

Or is the "plan" to tone-police everyone onto managed hosts that obfuscate capitalism behind a virtuous layer of abstraction?

wjmaggos,
@wjmaggos@liberal.city avatar

@DataDrivenMD

yes, I wish I had all that. who else is saying this? @adam calls it but you probably block his instance and he thinks crypto is a part of it. I think the soon to rollout is more likely. is an attention layer for the net. pretty obvious we'll get a payment layer eventually.

redcrew, to random
@redcrew@mstdn.social avatar

Finally, the US catches up with the European Union, India, and Brazil.

The US Federal Reserve launches long-awaited instant payments service, modernizing system.

Americans will be able to send/receive funds in seconds, 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/fed-set-launch-long-awaited-instant-payments-service-modernizing-system-2023-07-20/

wjmaggos, to random
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So I think is going to be like a US version of what Canadians have with Interac, and I am pretty excited. I think other countries have similar services, but IDK what they are called. Can any Canadians tell me what it's like? Can you just give somebody your bank account info and they can put it in their banking app and give you money? If so, why did the truckers use PayPal etc? Is Interac functionality something that can be built into other apps? Thanks.

blake, to random

I wrote a ranty, mostly disorganized post about the financial system at the payments level. Here it is.

https://md.blakes.dev/s/zl_prGGoG

cc @yakkoj @zorinlynx

nemobis, (edited )
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@blake Legislation is one possibility but in practice only the Fed can solve it. Looks like they're going to try.
https://www.ft.com/content/dcc83529-5659-4d96-8ddf-83351b060e18 (https://archive.is/qsBXx)

If they're lucky, with they can replicate the 's role in building , most recently with 's .
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/paym/target/tips/html/index.en.html

wjmaggos, to random
@wjmaggos@liberal.city avatar

I want to be able to just put up two links, one for my instance and one for my podcast. When you click on them, it opens your banking app and lets you customize the amount, frequency and approve it or not. We both see these payments well organized in our bank's accounts. Done. No separate websites to manage or concern about what apps other people are using. No crypto. should allow that.

atomicpoet, to random
@atomicpoet@mastodon.social avatar

Just realized that I'm working on a lot of Fediverse projects:

  1. , a federated audio/video P2P streaming server

  2. , a fully-managed Fediverse hosting service

  3. An "unnamed" federated crowdfunding platform

  4. An "unnamed" onboarding platform for the Fediverse

  5. A local Fediverse server, vancity.social, 's home on the Fediverse

  6. A general server, calckey.social

  7. An art server, calckey.art

  8. Testing of various clients and platforms...

wjmaggos,
@wjmaggos@liberal.city avatar

@atomicpoet @RonahsArk

what can you say about the crowdfunding platform? so needed. I'd love to be able to set an amount that gets divided up and distributed monthly based on something like clicks of a dollar sign or seconds of consumption. should be part of it.

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