herhandsmyhands,
@herhandsmyhands@romancelandia.club avatar

FCC to restore #NetNeutrality and also, hey, to protect our online activity from scrapping--be it for #ArtificialIntelligence training without our consent, or for even more nefarious purposes.

When the public comment period opens, for your own interest, comment--the vultures will, by the thousands, using bots/AI, so we need to show up and make sure our voices are heard, and our interests protected.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/10/fcc-moves-ahead-with-title-ii-net-neutrality-rules-in-3-2-party-line-vote/

herhandsmyhands,
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I know it's super tempting, especially when you barely make any money off your art, but please realize that in the long run, you'd be eliminating your own role: if "can narrate it" there's no reason why it couldn't "write it".

And yes, this also goes for covers; you can't draw the line at screwing over other creators.

@romancelandia

https://writing.exchange/@victoriastrauss/111336312162323635

https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/audio-books/article/93625-kindle-direct-publishing-will-beta-test-virtual-voice-narrated-audiobooks.html

rest of Bree Rogers (half of Kit Rocha) thread from November 1 2023: first tweet quotes Bree from July 8 2023: I am really worried that companies are going to use AI audiobook narration as a wedge issue to try to break novelists from other creatives. I am currently sitting on a pretty sizeable backlists of novels I can't... /end quoted tweet Bree on November 1 2023: We are so alone out here, y'all. Indie authors have no guild. It's us versus the big corporations. amazon coming to us with a way to cut other creatives out of the process is a short term win for you, and one more creative career path they've managed to destroy. Our day will come. And you won't win as much as you hope. I'm pretty sure readers are going to hate these books, which amazon has already said they'll be labeling as they know reader satisfaction will plummet if they can't avoid the AI narration garbage.
the rest of Bree Rogers (half of Kit Rocha) twitter thread from July 8 2023: I feel so, so strongly that we have to hold this line not just for narrators/voice actors but for ourselves in the long run. They want to throw all of us in the trash eventually. They're not above weaponizing us against each other first though. And it bothers me that I can't make these books available for lots of reasons. It's an accessibility issue, for one! I am 100% open to those books being added to libraries that close the gap on this for readers who need that. But not so companies don't have ot pay narrators. Anyway, yes, this is what I'm thinking about at 8:30pm on Saturday night as I try to organize my to-do list for next week, lol. It really stresses me out though! Any time I see discussion of AI voice acting, it reminds me of Apple/D2D trying to launch that thing.

thorncoyle,
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@herhandsmyhands @romancelandia It’s a tricky one. I have people with dyslexia or limited sight ask about audiobooks all the time. I feel badly explaining why I don’t have audio.

I experimented with a few AI narrations when GooglePlay came out with it, but stopped. It didn’t quite feel right to me.

But paying for my catalog to be narrated live? There goes my income, spiraling away. Despite audio growth, it’s still too tiny of a % to be worthwhile for most of us.

herhandsmyhands,
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@thorncoyle @romancelandia

That's addressed by Bree in the third screenshot; she and Donna have an extensive backlist they can't afford to put on audio, because they can't afford to pay a human.

It's not tricky. It's a personal choice--like using AI covers because they "can't afford human-made art".

Some people will rationalize it, others won't, but the ethics and longterm consequences are actually clear.

LuciaG,
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@herhandsmyhands @romancelandia Thank you for sharing this, the narration was something I hadn’t thought of. I’m currently raising money to pay an artist who will design a book cover for me. Is it as cheap as AI? No, but I knew from the get go that I wouldn’t choose that route. I’d rather wait and do it right.

pelielios,
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@herhandsmyhands @romancelandia It's funny - I don't have a problem with basic TTS. I feel like that's a decision on the user's end based on their own personal accessibility needs, made with the understanding that the result will be imperfect.

But once the end product is being marketed as an "audiobook" (as opposed to an ebook the reader may run through a screen reader if they wish)...

Those are two very different products and I'm not happy about efforts to blur the line.

herhandsmyhands,
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@pelielios exactly this, all of this.

I love well-narrated audiobooks (and I have very definite ideas about what constitutes good narration), but text-to-speech provides basic accessibility without forcing a whole class of creative people off the field.

@romancelandia

herhandsmyhands,
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Do not be fooled: it is not that they can't afford to pay for what they use, They CAN afford it.

They would pay billions and read trillions back.

They don't want to pay one red cent, because "obscene profit margin" is the only way they know how to operate. (where "know how to" means "want to")

@romancelandia

https://www.businessinsider.com/generative-ai-copyright-meta-google-openai-a16z-microsoft

JiSe,

@herhandsmyhands @romancelandia I think the reason they are so scared about having to pay is, that they don't really expect to actually make money from AI, they wish to make it appealing enough that some poor smuck pays through the nose for it. And having to pay for the material would both cut the promised near infinite payout they promise, and might become too expensive for them to be able to maintain the con for long enough.

herhandsmyhands,
@herhandsmyhands@romancelandia.club avatar

@JiSe
I disagree.

They believe that they'll make trillions off AI.

@romancelandia

weilawei,
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@herhandsmyhands @JiSe @romancelandia They fought real hard to put copyright above first sale and private property rights. they literally passed a law to eliminate 1st sale doctrine: the DMCA.

now that the situation they made is hampering them from committing theft (in their own words!) they suddenly have a change of heart. allegedly.

"you wouldn't steal a... would you?"

they sure af would.

RubyJones,
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@herhandsmyhands @romancelandia anyone who uses LLMs as any part of their writing or publishing process instantly loses all respect from me. That's it. They're dead to me.

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  • RubyJones,
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    @weirdwriter @herhandsmyhands the moment I learn they're using it I'm like, 'Oh, you want to steal from me? Blocked.'

    weirdwriter,

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  • tjradcliffe,
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    @weirdwriter @herhandsmyhands @romancelandia

    I'm likely missing something, but why not generate an audiobook via local software? Maybe I don't understand what "AI narration" is? Is it AI trained on other people's voices in the usual plagiaristic way?

    I guess I have no problem with mechanical narration for authors who can't afford human narration and can't do it themselves, but maybe I'm missing something? I get that mechanical is 2nd best, but are there other issues?

    herhandsmyhands,
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    @tjradcliffe
    Text-to-speech is what you mean by local software; TTS is an assistive technology, not "second best" but different from a voice actor narrating a book.

    AI audio (or "virtual voice") uses voice actors' stolen voices (including books they've narrated) to 'train' a simulacrum, in the same way that ChatGPT is trained through stolen intellectual property.

    I hope that helps clarify the distinction

    @weirdwriter @romancelandia

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    @weirdwriter @herhandsmyhands @romancelandia

    Yes, that clarifies things. Thank you both! I hadn't really understood that text-to-speech AI was a thing.

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