This is such an important article. I hope people read it.
There is a ceasefire proposal in front of Hamas, one drafted by Arab nations, and Hamas is rejecting it. It would rather see the war continue and the Gazans hurt or killed, rather than provide a reprieve.
Maybe that's because Hamas leadership isn't in Gaza. They live elsewhere, in other countries far away from the fighting, and yet on the ground, Hamas runs Gaza.
What Israel should or should not do, or how it should conduct the war is absolutely a question on the table, but fundamentally a ceasefire must be two ways, a ceasefire from both sides, and if Hamas does not accept one for the sake of the Palestinian people, then it's they should should be attacked by the media.
Gaza must be freed from Hamas so the people there can live full lives, and for the possibility of peace.
@serge In fact, it is Israel that has killed more than thirty thousand people in Gaza, most of them women and children, by bombing an occupied country. Israel must stop killing innocent people. Israel is sowing hatred that will last for generations.
So, how was your country freed from Franco again? By the death of a tyrant? That authoritarian cult trying to impose it's beliefs on everyone against their will, just like hamas, fatah, hezbollah, iran, the taliban, et al are now?
"The Francoists took control of Spain through a comprehensive and methodical war of attrition (guerra de desgaste) which involved the imprisonment and executions of Spaniards found guilty of supporting the values promoted by the Republic: regional autonomy, liberal or social democracy, free elections, socialist leanings, and women's rights, including the vote.[12][13]"
You would be a colony of fascist Germany right now if the allies hadn't bombed Europe into smithereens because German soldiers were embedded in every town and village. That's a fact.
Hamas is exactly the same type of authoritarian regime, and one that is a fundamentalist theocratic regime as well, oppressing its own citizens. Why are you supporting this?
@serge Wow, just looking at a couple of the comments below this. Are these people for real? “Hamas exists because of Israel.” What an incredibly ignorant statement. “I fail to see how bombing to dust…” Just, wow, also astonishing. The continued ignorance on this topic is beyond belief. You know who is intentionally misleading with such exaggerated and inaccurate statements.
P.S. - I learned as a CHILD to ask questions before pretending to know anything about anything. Some people could really incorporate this into their lives.
Hyperbolic bullshit as manufactured reality is all part of the blue anon outrage. It’s no different than the alt right alternative reality. It’s just from the other side of the spectrum.
It worked in WWII Europe, and nobody blinked an eye. And you are enjoying the modern benefits of the allies bombing Europe to rubble, unless you're a german skinhead. Then I guess you're not.
@shekinahcancook@funbaker@serge Well called. There is no point discussing with the types who want an end to a fight back because they hate the group (Jews of Israel in this case) defending themselves or support the original perpetrators (Russia attacking Ukraine). Their argument is essentially "You should let yourself be hit in the face". Bollocks to that.
Sorry, I have no problem with it. In fact, if I lived in Israel and my child were being held hostage, you can bet I'd be doing everything I could to hasten the demise of the people holding her.
@serge This was a proposal that actually included releasing prisoners imprisoned for life, right?
(something that I think Israel should never offer, because many of those prisoners would directly start again to plot attacking Israel)
If I recall (and it's the same proposal) it included a mass prisoner exchange.
I think all the ceasefires have included prisoner exchange in huge ratios.
Israel's position regarding those prisoner is that one saved life, eg of a grandmother, a child, a woman, or man, is worth letting go of a prisoner, even 100 prisoners.
Saying "No giving into hostage negotiations" is much easier when you aren't the family of the victims.
The protests that the Western media was saying were demands for a ceasefire mainly included "Give Hamas anything it wants in exchange for the hostages".
@jonburr those are prisoners, jailed for crimes — some jailed for murder.
One ex-prisoner pressed free by Hamas in an exchange was among the organizers of the mass murder on 7th Oct.
Exchanging convicted criminals for hostages was part of the reasons that 1200 Israeli civilians were murdered when Hamas started the war in which now tens of thousands of Palestinians were killed.
Hamas proved that exchanging murderers for hostages does not lead to peace for civilians. On neither side. @serge
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