Nonilex,
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opens w/huge lead in in early results

Joe Biden was leading 's Democratic presidential primary contest Tues, as expected, w/the against him pulling about 7% of the tally.

Biden had 88% of the vote, followed by 7% , 2% for Minnesota US Rep Dean Phillips & 2.4% for self-help guru Marianne Williamson, with 3% of precincts reporting.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/02/27/joe-biden-democratic-primary-uncommitted-michigan-wins/72675088007

Nonilex,
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This is the data I’m looking at:

The / side by side comparison.

So far, with a smaller percentage of Democratic votes counted, Biden is beating Trump, even w/ the .

Biden has 89,813 votes w/ 12.38% of the vote counted.

Trump has 89,708 votes w/ 12.61% of the vote counted.

Assume conservatively that in the general election Biden gets at least 50% of those uncommitted votes.

Nonilex,
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Update on the / side by side comparison. there’s still a smaller percentage of Democratic votes counted, & Biden is still beating Trump, even w/ the .
Biden has 80% of the Democratic vote; 174,949 votes; & 23.67% of the vote counted.
Trump has 66.6% of the Republican vote; 218,416 votes; & 29.88% of the vote counted.

Nonilex,
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11:40 PM ET Update on the / side by side comparison. there’s still a smaller percentage of Democratic votes counted, & Biden is still beating Trump, even w/ the .
Biden has 80.7% of the Democratic vote; 343,923 votes; & 46.11% of the vote counted.
Trump has 67.4% of the Republican vote; 462,868 votes; & 56.19% of the vote counted.

11:40 PM ET Update on the / side by side comparison.

joeinwynnewood,
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@Nonilex

Absent a significant change in the uncommitted Democratic vote, it looks like the threat to Biden's chances may well be less than feared (not that he shouldn't hear and heed the upset and anger).

Nonilex,
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9:00 AM ET Update on the / side by side comparison. Biden has 81.1% of the Democratic vote; 618,006 votes; & 98.55% of the vote counted.

  • Uncommitted 13.2%; 110,995; 98.55%
    Trump has 68.2% of the Republican vote; 756,162 votes; & 98.62% of the vote counted.

Trump has 68.2% of the Republican vote; 756,162 votes; & 98.62% of the vote counted.

Nonilex, (edited )
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We're going to need a lot more to in the than did in the if we want to beat . Look at the total number of votes.

Even if Biden picks up 100% of the "" & Trump only gets 50% of 's, Trump still wins .

Nonilex, (edited )
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"” defeated in Dearborn, Dearborn Heights & Hamtramck, where voiced their opposition to Biden’s support of in its against the militant group in the Strip, where nearly 30k have been killed in the nearly five-month-long conflict.


https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2024/02/28/uncommitted-vote-joe-biden-michigan-democratic-presidential-primary/72771855007/

TruthSandwich,
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@Nonilex

Idiots. This was the most self-destructive of protest votes.

Nonilex,
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@TruthSandwich thankfully it’s just the primary, I believe they’re smart & know would’ve allowed to immediately annihilate all not only in , but also in the . Anyone calling a Zionist & refusing to vote for him in the is giving a vote to Trump who is a full fledged & beholden to the who believe ’s possession of will bring the rapture.

TruthSandwich,
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@Nonilex

Sure, but the threat is that they'll sit out the general, or even vote for Trump.

Even without the explicit threat, the foreseeable impact of this movement is to diminish enthusiasm for Biden, encouraging potential voters to stay home or throw their vote away in protest.

Not disagreeing with your analysis: any attack on Biden only helps Trump, and Trump is far worse for Muslims.

Nonilex,
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@TruthSandwich I know that’s why we need to make sure people know the plight & death toll will be far worse w/ than & unfortunately those are only options. In this case choose the lesser evil folks, please, for all our sakes.

TruthSandwich,
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@Nonilex

I wouldn't even call Biden a lesser evil. He's actively good, pushing back against Netanyahu's expansionist plans and brokering ceasefires to rescue hostages.

The whole "lesser evil" framework is based on the false assumption that only a candidate who's your ideal is "good" and that someone who can't win is somehow better than someone who can.

Nonilex,
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@TruthSandwich

I personally agree, I was speaking from the uncommitted voter’s POV.

Nonilex,
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Nonilex,
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@TruthSandwich

From 2017:

formally recognized as the capital of , reversing ~7 decades of American & setting in motion a plan to move the Embassy from Tel Aviv to the fiercely contested Holy City.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/06/world/middleeast/trump-jerusalem-israel-capital.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb

anchr,
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@TruthSandwich
Somehow, I don't think shaming and name-calling is what is going to bring potential voters into your camp.

@Nonilex

Nonilex,
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@anchr @TruthSandwich

What shaming & name-calling?

TruthSandwich,
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@Nonilex @anchr

I called them self-destructive idiots, and I stand by this.

Nonilex,
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@TruthSandwich @anchr

Ah. I didn’t. I understand voicing opposition to the issue at this time. And I believe they’re smart & will vote Biden in the general election because as I said not voting for anyone is essentially the same as voting for Trump who would be a million times worse on the same issue.

TruthSandwich,
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@Nonilex @anchr

I don't believe they're smart. If they were smart, they wouldn't be undermining themselves by helping Trump this way.

And I don't believe that this idiocy is even intended to end as an empty gesture in the primaries. The whole point of doing this is to be able to threaten to throw the general towards Trump.

Nonilex,
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@TruthSandwich @anchr

No offense intended, but I hope you are wrong.

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