Tedrow,
@Tedrow@lemmy.world avatar

Agents of the US government purposefully destroyed Billy Holiday.

Also, during prohibition, the US government knowingly poisoned alcohol with the intent of harming people that drank illegally manufactured booze.

jimmydoreisalefty,

I thought the poisoned alcohol during prohition was proven as true.

Maybe not…

Tedrow,
@Tedrow@lemmy.world avatar

It isn’t ambiguous that it happened. The question is what was the motivation. I’m saying they knew they were killing people and did it anyway.

jimmydoreisalefty,

Reread, thank you for the clarification!

Have a great day!

captainlezbian,

I believe that the United States government operated a scheme by which they secretly armed the Nicaraguan contras in exchange for cocaine, which the cia sold in the United States and used that money to fund Iran. All against the law and without congressional approval.

I believe that the American federal bureau of investigation kept tabs on, infiltrated, assassinated, and otherwise actively disrupted left wing causes for at least half of the latter half of the 20th century, and may continue to do so.

I believe the cia dosed a lot of people with lsd without their consent in attempts to control minds. All without informing any higher ups or democratically elected officials.

I believe the cia has actively worked to undermine and overthrow democratically elected left leaning governments around the world whenever that comes into conflict with the interests of American wealth holders.

Modern ones, I have some suspicions based on leaks from somewhat trusted sources, but it’s not like historical ones where there’s such clear evidence and often confessions, which is part of why American ones are so prevalent here, we do like documenting what our government does.

grabyourmotherskeys,

Maybe not the best news source but I don’t have all day: theintercept.com/…/17-years-reporter-exposed-eche…

When I was a budding IT guy, the conspiracy theory that the five eyes nations were spying on each other and giving the intelligence to each other to get around rules prohibiting domestic spying was largely regarded as a paranoid conspiracy theory.

Network engineers that worked in internet backbone connectivity said there was no other really viable explanation for some of the patterns that were seeing and I believed these people after looking over some things they posted.

Well, eventually they were vindicted and the truth came out.

Ever since then, I’ve been a little slower to dismiss conspiracy theories.

Do I think JFK jr is coming back to lead The Storm, reinstate Trump, and finally put an end up the adrenochrome illuminati? No. But I’m a little more open minded than I used to be.

captainlezbian,

I think it’s important to filter between plausible but unlikely and implausible. Are a group of spy agencies sharing information to bypass prohibition on spying on their citizens? Possibly yes.

Could a famous person who died 30 years ago come back to reinstate the extremely controversial former president of the United States because he clearly had to have won? No. Faking your death is really hard when everything goes perfectly. He doesn’t have the authority to do Jack shit. He wasn’t even a president. MLK isn’t going to come back to life and reinstate Barack Obama either.

What about the moon landing being fake? No. The Soviets had every reason to dispute the apollo 11 landing and all of the technology to verify or refute it, they verified it. Additionally mirrors were left and amateur astronomers can verify for themselves. Also astronomers aren’t spies, nasa is bad at keeping secrets.

grabyourmotherskeys,

This is pretty much how I think about things.

captainlezbian,

Yeah it’s how you stay open minded imo. And as a rule when a conspiracy starts blaming the Jews I discount it. It’s one thing to say Netanyahu or Kissinger did a conspiracy, but Moe down the street had nothing to do with it. People and organizations conspire, races religions etc don’t

Phantom_Engineer,
@Phantom_Engineer@lemmy.ml avatar

CIA blew up the Nordstream pipeline.

Delicious_Tomatoes,

That the US Government killed MLK. I looked at the Wikipedia article (I’m saying my knowledge is not that in-depth, don’t @ me), and the case in either direction is less than compelling to me. I’d say if the government didn’t kill King, it would have been a matter of time.

kittenspronkles,

I believe the Disney Channel with their over serialization of minors is responsible for a lot of pedophilia that is going on.

CanadaPlus,

That’s tricky, because “conspiracy theory” implies a level of deception that makes falsifiability of anything difficult. Like, if somebody starts chatting me up on the street and I wonder if I’m going to get scammed or jumped, that’s a theory about a conspiracy, but it’s not a conspiracy theory because it only involves a few people and I still can be sure what’s up and what’s down.

Epstein being murdered gets called a conspiracy theory, but if a couple of guards, a warden and a single wealthy instigator were the only participants, and they were really sloppy covering it up, is that really so implausible?

jimmydoreisalefty,

I think you are overthinking it.

Could have been anything:

parents lying about santa, maybe

moon landing, nasa

Anything is good, hahahah

CanadaPlus, (edited )

The Epstein thing was my answer to the spirit of the question, if that wasn’t clear. I just added some analysis, since I don’t believe actual conspiracy theories by definition, on epistemological grounds.

Fizz,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

That majority of the opinions online are created and manipulated by special interest groups. All mainstream sites are astroturfed to steer discussion.

drlecompte,

Mark Felton did a 6 episode series on YT on how the alleged burnt bodies of Hitler and Eva Braun found by the soviets, are actually plants.

Not that Hitler survived the war or anything, they were just buried elsewhere nearby, probably in a civilian mass grave, to prevent the soviets from parading the real bodies around.

ArtyTester,

The Helen Keller conspiracy feels like it could be a real.

Blamemeta,

The whole reason for mass immigration is to import cheap labor, and add incompatible cultures in. Harder to start unions if you don’t have the same background as your coworkers.

It just has a side effect of raising housing costs, which only helps the elite…

Rocky60,

Absolutely none of them.

jimmydoreisalefty,

None? Pretty sure if you look into them you may think one of them may have something to it…

Searched for random ones that are know for a while:

Contents


<span style="color:#323232;">-Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">-MKUltra: the CIA Mind-Control Project
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">-The 1990 Testimony of Nayirah
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">-Operation Snow White: The Church of Scientology Versus The U.S. Government
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">-CIA Assassinations
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">-The Business Plot: Fascism in America
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">-Operation Mockingbird: The CIA Propaganda Machine
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">-COINTELPRO: The FBI vs. 1960s Activists
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">-Operation Paperclip: Nazi Scientists Find Employment in America
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">-Operation Northwoods: How to Wage War on Cuba
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">-Bohemian Grove: The Rich, the Powerful, and the Giant Stone Owl
</span>

11 Unbelievable Conspiracy Theories That Were Actually True

…howstuffworks.com/…/11-unbelievable-conspiracy-t…

Pantherina,

That Covid was made.

I dont really think its true, but the richest get richer with every catastrophe, people actually believe “everything just gets more expensive” (which is absolute bullshit and rich people just use it to make more profits). Also, genetically modifying some viruses should be totally possible today.

bionicjoey,

I don’t buy it because scientists have been saying for more than a decade that the “wet market” culture in China was a “ticking time bomb” for something like COVID to appear.

Pantherina,

Yes that too makes sense. If people stopped eating animals, damn… the reserve antibiotics we could save for like… actually emergencies

bionicjoey,

That’s not the reasoning. The reasoning is that the “Wet Markets” involve a lot of live mammals being kept in close proximity, creating a breeding ground for really nasty viruses to make the interspecies jump to humans.

Pantherina,

Yes, and to circumvent this naturally occuring germ breeding pool, in countries like Germany animals get pumped up with antibiotics, even the reserve ones, so that this doesnt happen here even though its just as bad.

Yeah, eeeeeverything fine here.

bionicjoey,

Antibiotics are irrelevant to COVID. It’s a virus, not a bacteria.

Pantherina,

True, is there anything animals get to stop spreading viruses? Never heard of that

bionicjoey,

Not keeping them in cramped filthy conditions like those that exist in Chinese meat markets. Particularly small mammals which are genetically similar enough to humans for a virus to jump species. There’s a reason all the nastiest plagues have come from people trying to eat bats and monkeys.

Pantherina,

Factory farming suffering animals, especially chicken live under exactly those conditions, just that we dont see them

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoonosis

Bats are not genetically similar to us, but the same as birds they can carry diseases over distance.

Lots of diseases came from “regular western farm animals”

sxan,
@sxan@midwest.social avatar

This, I could believe. As an escaped bioweapons project (less likely), or as a flu vaccine research project gone wrong (most likely). I don’t believe it, per se - it doesn’t satisfy Occam’s Razor - but it’s within the realm of not-so-insane.

deft,

I personally think it ain’t even that big but literally same. They were just studying viruses for all potential, bioweapons to vaccine research. Covid itself wasn’t made for any particular reason it was just the one that got leaked from the lab.

China’s biggest fault was not realizing at some point on an infinite timeline there will absolutely be a leak, how do we respond? And they lied about the initial leak and infection.

Other than that, playing with viruses what else did we expect? I don’t think any malice was attached to the leak, just as you said, stupidity and probably some arrogance.

mayonaise_met,

Epidemics and plagues have been part of life forever. It’s not like we had never seen anything like this before that warrants exploring alternative explanations. We’ve never been more connected. This was predicted and it will happen again.

Without a solid case supported by evidence we have to assume the simpler explanation.

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  • wantd2B1ofthestrokes,

    The key metric is always: how many people would have to be in on it and never say anything. The ones that are hundreds or thousands of people are obvious nonsense. If it’s just a handful of people, it’s perfectly plausible.

    BestBouclettes,

    The 9/11 was an inside job stuff, but only the part where part of the US government knew that something was going to happen and let it happen. That gave them the opportunity to set up stuff like the Patriot Act and gave them a (wonky) reason to invade the middle east.

    mayonaise_met,

    Yeah, what was it? By the end of the day Rumpsfeld and Cheney had convinced Bush to go after Sadam Hussein and people who knew the ME were confused about that.

    I don’t buy for a second that “they let it happen” though. The conspiracy is that they didn’t waste a good crisis.

    BestBouclettes,

    Yeah maybe it’s some sort of confirmation bias from me, it’s my take on the conspiracy. But given all the shady shit the US government has done, I wouldn’t be surprised if they knew and let it happen. As you said they absolutely took advantage of the crisis.

    4am,

    Yeah this is as far as I’ll take that one as well, except I’ll do one further. All that “controlled demolition” stuff is to distract rubes and make them sound like crackpots so no one takes the “hey we knew and did nothing” take seriously from anyone.

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