whereistanya,
@whereistanya@hachyderm.io avatar

Not actually ideal.

#flooding #brooklyn

futurebird,
@futurebird@sauropods.win avatar

@whereistanya

I don't know where you are exactly, Tanya, but NYC used to have brooks, and creeks all through BROOKlyn and the Bronx and Manhattan. Clear bubbling brooks rolled over the dark stone that's now the foundations of the skyscrapers.

We ... buried the streams in underground drain tunnels, but they are all still there! Water is powerful and tried to return to these old paths and now that there is more... Well there is some thinking we need to do.

signalthirteen,
@signalthirteen@mstdn.social avatar

@futurebird @whereistanya It always struck me as weird that the heart of climate change denial money was usually New York, Texas and Florida - Places that were in many places barely feet above, if not below, sea level.

futurebird,
@futurebird@sauropods.win avatar

@signalthirteen @whereistanya

Sea level is another issue coming. But the sheer volume of rain water is probably going to force people to wake up first.

Parts of NYC are hardly above sea level, but other parts are very high. Lot of variation in the terrain.

I do wonder how people will deal with the mosquitos though as things get more damp and tropical.

zzzeek,
@zzzeek@hachyderm.io avatar

@futurebird @signalthirteen @whereistanya if memory serves, NYC is already on board to just spray for mosquitoes....so they'd just spray more.

futurebird,
@futurebird@sauropods.win avatar
zzzeek,
@zzzeek@hachyderm.io avatar
signalthirteen,
@signalthirteen@mstdn.social avatar

@zzzeek @futurebird @whereistanya Having been so successful with cockroach eradication I look forward to equal success with terror and prostration before our eventual insect overlords.

futurebird,
@futurebird@sauropods.win avatar

@signalthirteen @zzzeek @whereistanya

If we'd take sewer design more seriously we could greatly reduce the roaches and rats.

But no one thinks about it in terms of the city being an ecosystem where creatures, not just people MUST live. So what creatures do we want to live with? Which ones do we not want?

signalthirteen,
@signalthirteen@mstdn.social avatar

@futurebird @zzzeek @whereistanya Yeah, it's tough to throw them out when there's a big sign that says "Free Fud and Howzes". Once we've created an ideal environment, it's almost impossible to meaningfully control them.

futurebird,
@futurebird@sauropods.win avatar

@signalthirteen @zzzeek @whereistanya

Is someone asked me to design a rat and roach farm I would just copy the NYC sewers. It's basically a perfect habitat.

Killing them will never ever ever ever ever work until we face that simple fact.

TexasCre8ive,

@futurebird @signalthirteen @zzzeek @whereistanya

Rat meat is considered a delicacy in some countries. An average cooked rat produces 63 g of protein. Maybe we should trap, purge, and also domesticate them as a food source for the poor and hungry or anyone. I would eat a properly prepared rat on a stick.

https://www.automatictrap.com/blogs/rats-trapping-college/what-countries-eat-rats#:~:text=According%20to%20Neurostew%2C%20the%20nutritional,protein%20and%2033g%20of%20fat.
https://www.automatictrap.com/blogs/rats-trapping-college/what-countries-eat-rats#:~:text=According%20to%20Neurostew%2C%20the%20nutritional,protein%20and%2033g%20of%20fat.

cobalt,
@cobalt@awscommunity.social avatar

@TexasCre8ive @futurebird @signalthirteen @zzzeek @whereistanya Meat-onna-Stick is very popular in . It was etiquette to avoid asking what kind of meat the serving was made of.

tokensane,
@tokensane@mastodon.me.uk avatar

@cobalt @TexasCre8ive @futurebird @signalthirteen @zzzeek @whereistanya

Also on , the rats themselves will tell you, "don't eat the green wobbly bit".

Piousunyn,

@futurebird @signalthirteen @zzzeek @whereistanya

Rat and roach farm, one could start with Trump and Republicans?

futurebird,
@futurebird@sauropods.win avatar

@zzzeek @signalthirteen @whereistanya

Hmmm. I need to read up on this. We really can't have disease carrying mosquitos in a massive dense city ... but my heart always sinks when it's more insect killing chemicals... I feel like they are never precise enough.

Most of the mosquitos don't even bite people. They are bird food.

CedarTea,

@futurebird
@zzzeek @signalthirteen @whereistanya

It's quite simple really. You just need an industrial scale bat breeding program.

And even if it doesn't work, bats are great.

Nazani,

@futurebird @zzzeek @signalthirteen @whereistanya
I'm using several brands of bacterial larvacides here in VA. The bacteria don't harm the wildlife that drink from my water containers.
https://www.health.ny.gov/publications/13035.pdf

signalthirteen,
@signalthirteen@mstdn.social avatar

@Nazani @futurebird @zzzeek @whereistanya Those sound better options, but it seems like every time we do this we say, "We have a beetle problem, let's bring in some cane toads" or "Purple loosestrife is pretty, lets bring some in for the gardens". On the personal scale like you're doing its not a problem, but when we do it on municipal or national scales we always seem to make things worse.

Nazani,

@signalthirteen @futurebird @zzzeek @whereistanya
Those instances are decades old. Larvacides are already being used on municipal scale.
Skip down to conclusions:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6106196/

michaelgemar,
@michaelgemar@mstdn.ca avatar
whetstone,

@futurebird @zzzeek @signalthirteen @whereistanya What was that project that produced a crap ton of sterile males? So they'd just fly around breeding and producing no viable eggs. That would be a mosquito species-specific intervention so it could at least be precisely targeted but I have no idea if it is scalable.

blogdiva,
@blogdiva@mastodon.social avatar

@futurebird @_L1vY_ @signalthirteen @whereistanya fun fact: the floor of the ny stock exchange is underground, thus, under sea level and, as Manhattan is a deceivingly hilly place, it’s down hill. it is always one of the first places to flood in nyc. i was under water for days after Sandy. of course, they were mercilessly mocked for it.

Andrew,

@futurebird ugh that sounds like Chicago this year. Terrible flooding and more mosquitos than I've ever experienced in Illinois. The mosquitos ruined most of our summer evenings 😟

VoxofGod,
@VoxofGod@mastodon.social avatar

@futurebird @whereistanya

We are right on top of an aquifer that leaks out a little bit in the mountains of Manhattan but unloads ultimately in Riverhead It goes underneath both the Hudson and the East Rivers, the headwaters of the Great lakes

Edit:

Drainage basin?

Headwaters are above....🥴

sumisu3,
@sumisu3@mastodon.nz avatar

@futurebird @whereistanya Funny that. Even Las Vegas, in particular The Strip, has river beds that have been built over. A few years back that became really obvious to lots of folks. I wonder also about places like Tokyo where they’ve built highways over the old streams and waterways, lots of concrete and no place to absorb the rain, but it knows where to go. Many cities around the world will find out in the coming years it seems.

LauraLangdon,
@LauraLangdon@hachyderm.io avatar

@futurebird Water is patient. Water just waits, wears down the clifftops, the mountains, the whole of the world. Water always wins.

https://youtu.be/bUWqybKVpHc?si=uNSSL7Kn1hxmlyZa

wcbdata, (edited )
@wcbdata@vis.social avatar

@futurebird @whereistanya Not just buried, either, but requiring 24-hour constant pumping to keep those waters subjugated. When the power goes out, NYC has just hours to couple of days of diesel keeping the subways, cellars, and tunnels passable...

Kencf618033,
@Kencf618033@disabled.social avatar

@futurebird You have subways, thus the technology to widen drain tunnels... Even to build new ones!

@whereistanya

MHowell,
@MHowell@mas.to avatar

@futurebird @whereistanya
Mother Nature will take her win. Always.

futurebird,
@futurebird@sauropods.win avatar

@whereistanya

I have been trying to explain about the Water Problem we are having in NYC and maybe... maybe this will help people to get it.

This city has all kinds of crags and holes and they are not calibrated for this much water all at once.

And they all need to be updated!

And we NEED to get green on the roofs, tax parking lots and stop the rapid run off. We cannot drain fast enough!

Blerdmommy,

@whereistanya that water is a lot more clear than I would’ve expected it to be.

futurebird,
@futurebird@sauropods.win avatar

@Blerdmommy @whereistanya

The water in NYC from the taps and to a lesser extent from the sky is simply lovely. We should take better care of it. Put it to better use.

It's one of the real reasons this is a "rich" city.

SallyStrange,
@SallyStrange@autonomous.zone avatar

@futurebird @Blerdmommy @whereistanya heyyyy waves in upstate NY water conservation this is so true!

timrichards,
@timrichards@aus.social avatar

@whereistanya @johnshirley2024 Whoa. Don’t open it!

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