African_Grey,

Keep. Meta. OUT. They will 100% try to EEE the fediverse.

Jo,

It's irrelevant whether they are federated or not. The question is how to stop them sucking the lifeblood out of everywhere else when they can connect 1.6 billion users via their existing accounts.

Candelestine,

I find the argument that luring users from Meta is even feasible to be specious to the degree of suspicion. Can a nice burger joint lure customers away from McDonalds? No, actually, they cannot, this has been proven time and again for decades. The people want the garbage.

As a result of this, the argument reeks to me of, at very least, ignorance. But if the person sounds intelligent enough to already understand this, then I myself would begin to wonder about bad faith and attempting to sabotage the service intentionally by handing it to Zuck on a silver platter.

Us? Powerful enough to lure from Meta? What the fuck can these people be smoking?

laurens,
laurens avatar

In this context its worth noting that Pixelfed recently implemented post import from Instagram. People are working on ways to make this easier.

Machinist3359,

By extension, this is why I don't think defederating with Meta is an effective strategy. Like gourmet burger restaurants refusing to be on the same block as McDonalds.

Meta will get the big names as they exit Twitter, and become borderline necessary to federate with-- assuming updates from years of state, artists, activists, etc are of any interest to people considering your instance.

This is inevitable. I think the only discussion is how we have a vibrant enough community that EEE becomes less viable.

It's something we failed to do with email. I suspect the answer is approximate to far easier instance hosting, to increase the number of instances and make a federation whitelist unviable for Meta

Kaldo,
Kaldo avatar

By extension, this is why I don't think defederating with Meta is an effective strategy. Like gourmet burger restaurants refusing to be on the same block as McDonalds.

It's not a question of whether fediverse and Meta get defederated, it's a question of when. Even if we don't defederate with them the history teaches us that eventually, when they get a monopoly on the content and users here, they're gonna shut down the rest. It seems the only choice is whether we want to do it while meta is still growing, or wait until it becomes strong (or hope it falls apart and dies).

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