It's not just Adobe. Now Logitech wants me to go to a random website in order to add peripherals to my computer, and I'm met with this when I go to the page they tell me to

As if it wasn’t bad enough that they want me to use a random internet service to add a keyboard to a usb wifi receiver, they have the balls to put this for Firefox users. I clicked out of pure curiosity, as I’m not even remotely interested in involving a corporate internet service in getting my keyboard connected to my computer. This is the message you get now on Logi Options software if you have a Unifying Receiver: This is the message you get now on Logi Options software if you have a Unifying Receiver

For the curious: logiwebconnect.com

EDIT: some people on the thread have brought up that the error message being displayed for Firefox users is due to the WebUSB API not being implemented by Firefox due to security concerns. This still does not justify having to use a web app to plug peripherals to a PC.

infeeeee,

Have you tried the old “Unifying Software”? support.logi.com/hc/hu/articles/360025297913 Maybe try the Bolt app: support.logi.com/hc/hu/articles/4418089333655

Edit: the FAQ says you should be able to add devices with the Logi Options+ app: …logi.com/…/1500007354982-How-to-connect-a-Bolt-d… Have you tried that?

Last time I dealt with this I had to download that one to add/remove devices. It was always a separate app for some reason, maybe they just moved it to the browser?

Also about the firefox notice: I think in this case it’s not fully Logitech’s fault, it’s not the classic lazy developers, you cannot workaround it with user agent switcher: Firefox doesn’t support the WebUSB api, considering it’s an usb device it should need this api: caniuse.com/webusb The supported browsers are same as the ones supporting WebUSB.

That’s another thing that firefox deliberately doesn’t support this api for security and privacy reasons: mozilla.github.io/standards-positions/

The next question is why they developed this app as a webapp? It doesn’t make any sense. If you don’t have internet you cannot setup your keyboard? There are still a lot of situations when people have to use their computers without internet, this just plain stupid. But I’ve seen a lot of stupid things from logitech, even though I love their hardware, typing this from my K750 solar keyboard.

Yoz,

Lesson learnt. Stop buying products from HP, Adobe and now Logitech. Create a list of shitty companies and share it with everyone. Consumers have the ultimate power, stop buying g their product ans see how quickly they change everything back to normal.

Infiltrated_ad8271,
Infiltrated_ad8271 avatar

I think we will finish sooner if we make a list of ethical corporations:

kobra,

These are the closest I've found in the US: https://www.bcorporation.net/en-us/certification/

stebo02,
@stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

yeah I’ll start:

  • ㅤ

done

PropaGandalf, (edited )

Add

  • NVIDIA
  • Google
  • Apple
  • Microsoft
  • Meta
  • Tencent
  • Amazon
  • Reddit
  • ARM

to the list

efrique,

heh, all of them (plus several others) were on my list of “never buy from them” list a decade ago. Never had any reason to reconsider

someguy3,

Ever since the fake tweeters (the speaker).

guckfoogle,

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    Yoz,

    kbin.social/m/technology@lemmy.world/t/300128

    BeigeAgenda,
    @BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca avatar

    They have begun disabling printers remotely.

    blindjezebel,

    They still think they own the printer after you buy it. “No, you’re not allowed to buy other ink that’s worked for you for so long. Only buy ours:” theverge.com/…/hp-printer-update-brick-third-part…

    southsamurai,
    @southsamurai@sh.itjust.works avatar

    The list is a book

    Yoz,

    🤣🤣

    ultratiem,
    @ultratiem@lemmy.ca avatar

    Yep this. We act like wait, how, what, why, where when we let them do it all along. Take the camera back. Let them choke on their websites, registration and other nonsense.

    Rescuer6394,

    well shit, their mouse are good. do we have an alternative to the mx master series?

    deweydecibel, (edited )

    Comments like this just make me depressed (well this is all depressing really) because it feels like a lot of people don’t quite understand how utterly insignificant we are to these businesses. They will lose so few customers it won’t even wiggle the dial. People will simply download Chrome to do whatever this is, they will get the data they want, user goes back to using Firefox until the next shitty company makes them use Chrome for something.

    The problem is simply the consumers. We are all suffering, increasingly, because of the complacency, tech illiteracy, laziness, and short-sightedness of the average consumer. It’s not really their fault, in that these businesses are the ones making the decision to do this, but realistically, if there’s no market pressure, a business is going to do exactly what every business does, which is maximize all potential avenues for profit.

    The average consumer is the reason why we can’t have nice things anymore. And it is getting very hard not to feel a certain degree of resentment toward them as everything seems to just get progressively worse and worse with no hope in sight for any type of correction. They don’t think that this is something they need to care about, and it legit makes me want to scream thinking about 6-7 years from now when these same exact people will complain about how unusable the internet has gotten.

    Yoz,

    100% even I blame the consumers for being lazy and illiterate.

    maynarkh,

    The average consumer is the reason why we can’t have nice things anymore.

    No, it’s the supply side cornering the market. If there was two similar mouses on the shelf, and one said “no crappy spyware bundled”, the average consumer would buy that. That’s what they teach the “free market” is, and how free market capitalism should solve this problem.

    But free markets don’t really exist, the better mouse without crappy spyware doesn’t either, so people need to come together and force corporations to respect the social contract. One might call this governmental regulation. That’s where the answer is.

    JubilantJaguar,

    So then the problem is not consumers, it is citizens. Because how do you expect government regulations to come about if citizens are not asking for it? Citizens and consumers are generally the same people.

    maynarkh,

    My point is more about “vote with your wallet” is stupid, you should vote with your … vote.

    Then again, some places don’t offer the plurality of vote choices that would make a democracy function properly, so privacy regulations can’t be voted for. I mean if all your choices are Putin or Putin; or Trump or Biden; what do you do to regulate companies to preserve privacy?

    Activism is the answer I guess.

    JubilantJaguar,

    The logic is still somewhat circular, given that ordinary people mostly do not vote for Pirates even if they have the choice, and they do not ask their politicians for privacy regulations, much less bother joining a party or running for election.

    And if in a democracy your choice is Putin or Putin, who ultimately is to blame for that? Was Putin parachuted into his position by foreign agents? Political systems, whatever their exact nature, are ultimately dependent on the responsibility of their citizens. And, well, it seems that in most places citizens, like consumers, are just not very responsible.

    Activism is an answer, agreed on that.

    alteropen,
    @alteropen@noc.social avatar

    @deweydecibel @Yoz don't blame the consumers people have busy lives and don't have the time or interest to spend their limited free time learning privacy or avoiding a certain company because of an obscure privacy reason they don't understand.

    this is why market pressure is essentially bullshit. If more aggressive action is taken towards these companies instead of just blindly believing in the free market we might actually make an impact.

    we have the free time let's use it to hurt them

    Silviecat44,

    Regulations are what matter

    Boinketh,

    You’re both kinda right. Things wouldn’t be nearly as bad if the average consumer actually gave a shit, but the things these companies are doing should be illegal in the first place.

    PermanentlyJetlagged,

    People do give a shit. There is just an overload of shitty corporate behavior and people only have so much bandwidth. Each person fights on the fronts most important to them - which vary person to person (and over time). In the end you’re right, the answer is to regulate and make things illegal so people aren’t fighting thousands of battles at once.

    ddkman,

    Exactly. I used to run a corporate banlist, where if a company screwed me over, or I though what they sold simply insn’t good enough I wouldn’t buy their shit. If I stuck to it completely, I would have 0 options for computer mice, 0 options for phones, 0 options pretty much for laptops, literally 0 option for any home appliance, the list goes on and on and on.

    Boinketh,

    Most people don’t even understand it. Those that do, you’re right, are fighting too many battles at once.

    Slotos,

    Market pressure is not bullshit. Unorganized mod simply doesn’t exert any. You need money (corporations and billionaires) or coordination (unions, activists, and governments) to pressure markets.

    So yeah, it’s possible to exert market pressure by pushing politicians to outlaw such practices.

    HughJanus,

    Man you took this whole comment right out of my mouth. These days I just resent everyone around me.

    • Meta users
    • pickup/SUV drivers
    • Gamers
    • people who don’t think privacy is important.
    • People who are not only okay with but avid supporters of shit politicians (which, to be clear, is the vast majority of politicians).
    • People who put my single item in plastic bags without asking me or drink hundreds of plastic bottles (I have a family member who owns a corporate environmental consultant startup who does this constantly)

    And these people are just fucking everywhere. The future just feels so hopeless.

    Like I get it can be difficult but I point out how they can be better and they just get offended.

    sugar_in_your_tea,

    I agree so much.

    I sometimes go to a grocery store near work to pick up lunch, and I usually get like two things. The cashier always seems confused when I ask for no bag, despite me obviously being capable of carrying those items to the register.

    So not only are people making weird choices for themselves, they seem adamant that I need to make them too.

    restingboredface,

    Yeah I know. My brother in law (and by extention my sister) are super smart and politically active but they have a house full of data sucking gadgets like Alexa and absolutely no concerns about data privacy or security. I’ve tried to talk to them about being more selective about how they share their data, but my brother in law is a lawyer so trying to persuade him is like going to court and is just exhausting.

    Ensign_Crab,

    Oh neat. We’re back to the bad old days of “This website requires IE Version 6.”

    arefx,

    Was gonna replace my g502 with a new one but I’ll be looking at other brands now.

    CIWS-30,

    I think it's a smart move. I like my G502, but have learned that ambidextrous mice are more for me. I get soreness if I only use my right hand for mousing all the time.

    whats_a_refoogee,

    G502 might just be the most overrated mouse on the market. You’d be doing yourself a favor.

    knobbysideup,

    Trying to figure out my next move when my harmony hubs become a pain or stop working altogether.

    deweydecibel,

    There aren’t any great alternatives yet (maybe ever) but Sofabaton U2 and the Skip 1S seem to be the current most popular replacements.

    You will lose some functionality, unfortunately there’s nothing to be done for it but wait and support the companies trying to go in the right direction.

    Personally I like the Skip 1S haven’t tried Sofabaton.

    Taleya,

    Harmonys have required the internet since forever, which i get because the device database is constantly updating. I wouldn’t worry about longevity though - we still use a 525 (the one from before they started limiting how many devices per remote)

    donut4ever,

    Are you fucking serious?

    mayo,

    To those wanting to jump ship, Logitech isn’t the only mouse/keyboard company doing this and they’ve been trending in this direction for a while (ever since they ditched Unifying Receiver for Logi Options).

    agent_flounder,
    @agent_flounder@lemmy.one avatar

    Yeesh

    So…I guess I will stick to wired peripherals then.

    If I am understanding what this is all about … Then I think, if they had put forth even a tiny bit of effort, they could have come up with a solution that doesn’t require a website for installing.

    mayo,

    You generally don’t need to download the software to use the stuff and Logitech has been OK about that. The dongles are paired out of the box and bluetooth just works, but if there are problems (or button mapping) then the software is needed. Eg. some of them will pop up an installer when you plug in the device (I know my Razer keyboard has some shite software that boots at login.

    ngwoo,

    Logitech G devices with the Lightspeed dongle still work with no pairing software (the dongle is pre-paired). You’ll need the G software to change things like DPI though.

    mayo,

    Ya most of them are good w/o pairing, but if for whatever reason you need to pair then the software has changed.

    I use a G603 (wired) and MX Master.

    sorebuttfromsitting,

    sorry to drop in with an opinion, but I love my mouse festooned with buttons. Logitech and Razer have FUCKED UP MY DREAM

    sirwumpus,

    @sorebuttfromsitting @JGrffn Have a look at Logitech G600 mouse, 20 buttons plus shift, scroll wheel w/ tilt. Go nuts.

    sorebuttfromsitting,

    the G600 is exactly what I am rocking now, after the Razer equivalent failed. The hardware mouse itself is cool, but the software on windows is so lame. block that shizz via firewall asap. Can program it in linux as well.

    goffy59,

    also get rid of MS Windows and use linux also helps.

    fury, (edited )

    It’s kind of hilarious they didn’t just build this into the options app. But WebUSB gets a bad rap for no good reason.

    WebUSB’s only sin is that it’s being spearheaded by Google. It’s a useful technology that means theoretically you only need to write to one platform - the web. Let the browser deal with the different USB APIs for each OS (please god google save me from libusb). It’s safer because of the browser’s sandboxing, the permission dialog, the much greater likelihood they’re using good standard TLS instead of rolling their own encryption, the list goes on.

    Personally, I’d rather visit a web page one time to set it up and then forget about it, than to have to install Yet Another Thing™ that ends up running in the background, always checking for updates, reporting analytics back to the mothership, and constantly sucking up just a little bit of my CPU time even when I don’t have any Logitech devices connected. (Sound like any other Logitech software you know of?)

    I had a Pixel phone that I wanted to reflash back to the standard factory image. Did I have to download a special program, reboot the phone into bootloader mode, and perform an ancient ritual sacrifice like I do with a Samsung phone? No, I just had to visit the right web page and click “yes, allow this page to fuck up my phone”. No lingering software left over on my PC, at least once the browser cache goes away.

    Same with many Arduino and ESP32 projects, by way of WebSerial. If the page you’re reading doesn’t have to send you off to some other program and can just, right there in the web page, flash your device with the software it’s telling you about, that’s a good thing.

    The web is becoming the application platform of choice. No App Store guardians to reject you from it. No 30% cut to the man. The list of reasons to have to install a program to your native OS is shrinking. Even 3d games can be done entirely in the web now. Rejecting WebUSB/WebSerial just means developers have to keep writing stuff for every OS (if you’re lucky).

    Durotar,

    What’s this? I’ve never seen anything like that on my Arch Linux.

    1984,
    @1984@lemmy.today avatar

    We live in a better world. :)

    daninet,

    Have you also built your keyboard from scratch?

    Durotar,

    I don’t get the question, because you don’t build Arch Linux from scratch either. That’d be LFS.

    tou, (edited )
    @tou@lemmy.world avatar

    I know Opera is Chromium based but according to statcounter Opera accounts for nearly the same % (actually slightly higher) overall desktop browser market share (Opera 4.48% : Firefox 5.96%)

    Yet support for Opera but not Firefox 🗿

    DoakSteezy,

    Disclaimer: I’m a Firefox user.

    Support for Opera wasn’t a completely separate effort, it just happens to work because, like you said, it’s Chromium based. If it wasn’t, it wouldn’t be supported either…

    daninet,

    Its because they did not had to do anything for supporting Opera. They made their app work with Chromium based browsers and Opera is happened to be one. Firefox on the other hand requires additional development to be supported.

    Xeknos,

    I was already moving toward never buying Logitech again, but this shit seals the deal.

    spez,

    Same man, I thought they were a great company. Bought a decent mouse died after 9 months. Any alternatives?

    BudgetBandit,

    Speedlink is my go-to.

    Meowoem,

    I rarely use my windows laptop for anything but a few core tasks, I swear every time I went to do anything I need to make a new account for something -i needed to log into my laptop’s inbuilt system dash then I needed to make an Nvidia account to upgrade my graphics card drivers just to play baldurs gate - which has it’s own pointless launcher which wanted me to sign up…

    One day they’re going to give all the data to an AI and it’s going to say ‘why the fuck do you make people sign up for so much bullshit? None of this data is even slightly useful’ then it’ll launch all the nukes

    optissima,

    Replace Nvidia driver installer with this, it’s much lighter and no sign up!

    Meowoem,

    Oh nice yeah if I need it again I will, thanks

    optissima,

    I recommend installing it and uninstalling Nvidia drivers, because this will auto-update for you too.

    AndyLikesCandy,

    Not the Logitech I became a fan of, glad they updated the name to Logi reflecting they’re half the company they used to be.

    I miss the old Logitech software and Logitech Gaming Software, from like 10 years ago.

    Now I can’t even launch the driver software to adjust my webcam or mouse behavior from my work computer because of legitimate Internet security settings preventing random background apps from exfilteating data, which is exactly what it’s trying to do.

    Customer support of course blames the user for their app that will never finish loading until it talks to the mother ship.

    phobox360,

    In fairness to me this kind of thing is nothing new on Logitech’s part. Back in the XP/Vista days, Logitech refused to follow established usb standards for things like webcam’s and the like. So we depended on Logitech providing drivers, which they didn’t bother doing for a lot of their hardware beyond XP. So all of a sudden a 1 year old bit of hardware wouldn’t work on Vista because reasons.

    Logitech and Creative Labs were the absolute worst for forcing proprietary tech and then refusing to support it properly.

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