MsHearthWitch,
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Foodie friends!

I've been wanting to make a Beef Wellington ever since I had one at The Rubens in London (seriously best meal I've ever eaten, and most expensive, lol)

All recipes call for prosciutto though and when I make it it'll be for someone who eats kosher-ish.

What else could I use? Seems weird to wrap a beef roast in pastrami. And I am struggling to think of something with that cured, salty buttery-ness that would work.

regordane,
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@MsHearthWitch

I'm puzzled by this. I'm no big fan of beef wellington myself, but it surprises me to learn that ANY recipes involve prosciutto.

Traditionally the beef is wrapped in a mushroom paste, then pastry.

Here's an example - obvs, you'd need to substitute the butter to make it kosher but I can't see any prosciutto or similar here.

https://www.jamieoliver.com/recipes/beef-recipes/beef-wellington/

MsHearthWitch,
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@regordane Interesting. Nearly ever recipe I've looked at calls for prosciutto wrapped around the whole thing before the pastry.

regordane,
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@MsHearthWitch

Pretty sure that's just wrong. Don't know the history of the dish but it seems reasonable to assume it was invented in Britain in the 19th century in honour of the Duke of Wellington.

Prosciutto was unknown in Britain at the time. It could perhaps have been ham instead.

But it wasn't. The standard and traditional version is always mushrooms.

MsHearthWitch,
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@regordane From what I have been able to read up in a bit of looking. Crepes were traditionally used. But using some kind of parma ham or prosciutto is pretty much bog standard for a wellington these days.

In that Jamie Oliver recipe you linked isn't traditional either. He uses breadcrumbs instead of the crepes.

The intention is basically forming a moisture barrier between the filling and the pastry.

So I wouldn't say it's wrong, just that the dish has evolved.

regordane,
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@MsHearthWitch

I've never heard of using *crepes. In such a classic British dish this comes across as completely wrong.

*Yeah, it's in Wikipedia. But no. Just no.

Reliable sources do suggest using fois gras or liver paté together with the mushroom duxelles. The Jamie Oliver recipe seems to be based on this, making a paté out of liver, mushrooms and breadcrumbs. But I've had mushroom only versions which seem to seal well enough on its own.

https://www.tastingtable.com/1112177/the-noble-history-behind-the-uks-beloved-beef-wellington/

https://www.britannica.com/topic/beef-Wellington

MsHearthWitch,
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@regordane It's not just wikipedia where I encountered it. I actually didn't look at wikipedia at all.

I respect your strong feelings on the matter, but I confess I find myself done with the conversation.

MsHearthWitch,
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@regordane Yeah the mushroom pate is always part of it.

https://www.gordonramsay.com/gr/recipes/beef-wellington/

This is the version of it I'm most familiar with, and every recipe I've seen is some variation thereof. Roast, coated in the mushroom pate, then wrapped in thin ham (of some sort) then pastry.

elfkin,
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@MsHearthWitch First and foremost, I think that pastrami would work a treat. You might also want to try Italian bresaola. It’s beef treated similarly to prosciutto, but usually a leaner cut.

MsHearthWitch,
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@elfkin Oooo I will check that out and ty!

I think I worry that beef in general won't have that same flavor punch that prosciutto does.

Like I know mostly the function is to seal everything in. But it also does lend a certain something-something to the taste.

elfkin,
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@MsHearthWitch To me anyhow, bresaola has that same salty/funky cured meat quality that one finds in prosciutto. And pastrami often has all of that lovely smokiness. I would happily use either.

MsHearthWitch,
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@elfkin oooo nice. I'd not heard of it before. I think I want that salty funky cured meat taste over the smokey, so I'll have to check out bresaola.

elfkin,
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@MsHearthWitch Now I suddenly want to make a beef Wellington. I used to make them for holiday parties when I was younger.

MsHearthWitch,
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@elfkin I had one on one of the best nights of my life. Was in London, right before the pandemic started.

Went to dinner at the Rubens in the Palace. Absolutely the most luxe place I've ever been. The food was SPECTACULAR.

Then we went to see Hamilton and sat 3rd row center.

Truly an amazing evening.

elfkin,
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@MsHearthWitch That must have been positively enchanting!

MsHearthWitch,
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@elfkin Oh it was. I honestly get teary when I think about it. Was the last night on my first (and so far last) European trip.

Just magical.

I think that's part of why I want to learn to cook a really nice one. I want to recapture just a little bit of that magic.

danneau,
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@MsHearthWitch Go ahead and use the pastrami, just call it Beef Moshe Dyan.

MsHearthWitch,
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@danneau I confess, I have no idea what that means.

I might try pastrami but I'm not entirely sure it has the flavor punch I'm looking for. Maybe!

danneau,
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@MsHearthWitch It's a bad joke, sorry. Beef Wellington is a treat, but I haven't made it since 1984. Friend showed up for a visit with a bottle of Pauillac and we had to do something equally expensive and silly.

MsHearthWitch,
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@danneau Lol fair! Yeah I totally did not get the joke, and asked my Jewish friend, and my rabbi friend, and neither of them got it, lol.

But yes, it's a "fancy" thing I'm hoping to make as a special meal.

danneau,
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@MsHearthWitch Wellington defeated Napoleon at Waterloo. Moshe Dyan was one of the most successful generals in the Six Day War in 1967. I suspect that there might have been Bayonne ham in the original beef Wellington, so the pastrami would be in keeping with the cultural shift.

MsHearthWitch,
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@danneau Ooooo. gotcha!

OkayKay,
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@MsHearthWitch
Maybe Turkey bacon.
Many are smoked though, so watch for that.

MsHearthWitch,
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@OkayKay I know this person eats and enjoys turkey bacon. So will just check if there's a specific brand.

I'll use that in a pinch. But I think it lacks the flavor punch I'm looking for.

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@MsHearthWitch
I love beef wellington and it's going to be hard to replace that salty rich flavour of the prosciutto. That's would be my replacement.
The only other thing to do is go to a real deli (not grocery store deli) and ask what they would suggest.
Good luck!

MsHearthWitch,
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@OkayKay Yeah, that's my worry with replacements too. Prosciutto is such a specific flavor. Idk how to get that with something else.

I'm wondering if they make a duck bacon. Or if I could make a duck bacon. That might get close-ish.

The idea of going to a proper deli is a good one.

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