/kbin quick update

As you noticed, I had to temporarily enable DDoS protection. Someone is trying quite effectively to distract me from my activities ;p Unfortunately, this may cause some issues with the federation. I will try to cut off the traffic as soon as possible and return to normal operation. Thank you for all your support and patience! :)


Hi all,

Is there a way to track and collect data on how long each request takes?
Twenty eight seconds to upvote a post is pretty painful.

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Lemmy.ca still can't access kbin.social. I'll be patient though.

VerifiablyMrWonka avatar

Yeah, looks like I'm seeing the federation issues as I don't appear to be able to follow my kbin.social account from my Mastodon instance - guess it's being blocked.


That whole sentence is so dang confusing lol. I am so unbelievably green with the federation stuff.

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The way I have it, Mastodon works like Twitter. Kbin, Lemmy, etc. work like reddit, as a way to gather together tons of individual forums/subforums.

Only, because they all use the same networking protocol, they're all compatible with each other. So imagine being able to use your reddit account to follow/respond to a tweet. The whole thing comes off as so much chaos to the uninitiated, and I'm kind of liking it


To add on to this, as I've understood so far, a lot of the issues people are having seem to be the equivalent of many doors facing a common courtyard. However, some of the houses have doors that only open halfway because they were built at a different height to all the other doors. So everyone can get everywhere, but we haven't yet figured out how to make sure all the doors are able to open properly.

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Glad to see kbin taking off. I prefer it over lemmy and the magazine concept has helped me explain it to others. I tell people kbin is like a shop. Anyone can set up their own shop. Then people can create magazines, and in those magazines, posts are like articles and you can comment on those articles. But this shop can also see the magazines in other shops etc. Its a bit arbitrary but it's actually helped people understand the fediverse in terms they understand

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Another explanation, also valid: /kbin is also like a bookstore - with people being able to create their own magazines (or even newspapers), consisting of long-form articles, but also of short notes (fitting a toot on Mastodon). And it contains also magazines from other bookstores, as they collaborate with /kbin. And people are able to write their own pieces on every magazine, not only these, which they own!

I loved magazine name of "subfeddit" since first sight, and now, I love this dual meaning even more!


Honestly, the site is far more responsive than it was yesterday. Keep doing what you're doing.

It's likely there is also a bunch of other tuning happening and this is unrelated to performance increases, but I stand by comment.


While it's probably from HN, make sure you don't fall victim to the Mastodon design flaw causing DDoS-like traffic: https://jort.link.


I don't see how that can be solved with the fediverse right now. It definitely needs some proper p2p propagation protocols.


I have received 508 errors from my hosting provider due to thousands of instances hitting my home page at once. I had to alter my .htaccess file in order to send Mastodon user agents trying to hit my home page to a static page.


No worries. You're doing a great job. Keep it up.


That might turn away some users, hopefully not too many

Cal avatar

The suble signs of success is when someone tries to mess with you. Well done!

Errant avatar

Appreciate the work you are doing and it's been cool watching kbin develop so rapidly! Uptime has been impressive given the circumstances.


Impossible to use the site on mobile with desktop site as it cycles forever on the cloudflare security site


Is JavaScript enabled?


Also the mobile site has a baffling UI that I think is completely unusable. I can't even understand how to navigate it so unless you let me use the proper site this is a non starter.

artillect avatar

What's wrong with the mobile UI? I haven't had any more issues with it than I have on desktop. It works practically exactly the same on both

elrac avatar

Something I noticed is that, on mobile, the kbin logo in the upper left corner opens the menu next to it instead of going back to the main page. You have to hit the house icon in the menu. It isn't obvious that you are in a menu when that happens.

iNeedScissors67 avatar

I noticed the same thing just now, this is my first time using it on mobile. Not a big deal whatsoever, but my brain basically ignored the house icon for a minute. Still really liking the experience so far though!

elrac avatar

I've been ignoring the house icon in my browser for something like 25 years, no way was I going to notice it at first on here.


Only issue I found is that it has issues with larger font scaling, but I haven't used it much mobile yet.


Is there much difference between DDoS and large traffic.

HandOfKarma avatar

The end result is the same!

jsheradin avatar

How can we help support server cost? I don't immediately see a donation link.

0xtero avatar

Thanks for keep things running well. Is the DDOS mitigation confirmed to be causing federation issues or is it speculation at this point? How does Mastodon deal with it?

Edit: Are you able to create a rule to bypass the check for logged in users?


Are you able to create a rule to bypass the check for logged in users?

I'm logged in and have gotten the check repeatedly in the last hour. So I'm guessing no.

VerifiablyMrWonka avatar

I know I can't find any kbin.social posts from my mastodon instance. DDoS protections break federation because typically they can't differentiate server to server traffic from malicious.

Ulu-Mulu-no-die avatar

No problem, keep the protection up as long as it's needed.

And thanks for you work :)

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