stefan,
@stefan@stefanbohacek.online avatar
woody,

@stefan

It may be that Wikipedia, and links thereto, are sufficient. If we're not a walled garden, we don't need to replicate everything inside a wall.

I have no problem with community notes, and they're certainly a good way of improving Twitter. I'm just not sure that's a worthwhile effort, when we have an actual world out here, that responds well to creative input.

stefan,
@stefan@stefanbohacek.online avatar

@woody Right, Wikipedia is great, but that requires people to question what they read online and do their own research, which, sadly, does not apply to everyone.

Especially with Meta/Threads joining the fediverse, it would be helpful to have tools that can prevent misinformation from spreading.

woody,

@stefan

I meant, more, that people could include links to wikipedia, rather than replicating content that already exists in wikipedia. Like this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloudflare#Controversies

stefan,
@stefan@stefanbohacek.online avatar

@woody Right, yes, but the comments linking there will be drowned out, still allowing misinformation to spread.

Maybe if moderators could pin replies, as I've seen suggested, that would work pretty well.

stefan,
@stefan@stefanbohacek.online avatar

@woody Or I suppose moderators could simply delete posts that contain misinformation, although some might argue that's too heavy-handed, or at least in some situations.

harmonicarichard,
@harmonicarichard@techhub.social avatar

@stefan We have one, it's called Wikipedia. ;-)

stefan,
@stefan@stefanbohacek.online avatar

@harmonicarichard Right, but Wikipedia alone is not enough to stop misinformation from spreading.

See my response here: https://stefanbohacek.online/@stefan/112139400224109904

hirad,
@hirad@hirad.it avatar

@stefan that's a really bad idea. The only way I can think of that it can be done is by allowing the admin to choose such community members. And it'll only be shown in that instance.
Random admins, with random moderators, deciding what is right and what is wrong. What can possibly go wrong!

stefan,
@stefan@stefanbohacek.online avatar

@hirad Yes, I noted elsewhere in the replies that maybe just giving admins/moderators a way to annotate a post might be a sufficient, maybe even a better solution.

Those are the people who can already decide to delete a post, so some level of trust should already be there.

stefan,
@stefan@stefanbohacek.online avatar

@hirad If the note is only visible on the instance it was posted to, that might not be enough to prevent misinformation from spreading. For example, someone can sign up on a small, less moderated instance, post from there, coordinate with people on larger instances to boost the message, and drown out any replies that have a correct information.

stefan,
@stefan@stefanbohacek.online avatar

@hirad I don't think the fediverse is at a scale and popularity yet that we have to worry about this, but we've seen some big spam attacks already, so I think we might want to start thinking ahead.

hirad,
@hirad@hirad.it avatar

@stefan but "some" level of trust isn't enough. Yes, one might believe his instance admin is a fair and reasonable person. But doesn't mean he trust him on every political, social, scientific, etc etc topic.

stefan,
@stefan@stefanbohacek.online avatar

@hirad Right, that is a fair point.

And I'm not really sure I have an answer, but I can definitely see, as fediverse gains larger adoption, a need to counter misinformation here.

jupiter_rowland,

@Stefan Bohacek And ideally, this would not be another home-brew, non-standard, only-compatible-with-itself Mastodon solution but something built entirely against the ActivityPub standard.

stefan,
@stefan@stefanbohacek.online avatar

@jupiter_rowland Yeah, this would need to be compatible across all of the fediverse to be useful.

Neblib,
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@stefan I really like the idea of pinned replies (once by OP and once by mods) in one of the linked tickets https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/27517

marcus_grant,
@marcus_grant@fosstodon.org avatar

@Neblib @stefan I do like this, but seems like a ton of extra work for moderators, how do community notes work on twitter?

stefan,
@stefan@stefanbohacek.online avatar

@marcus_grant @Neblib Here's a bit more about it: https://help.twitter.com/en/using-x/community-notes

I really don't think we'd need to exactly reimplement it, best to keep things simple, only allow moderators/admins to add notes.

stefan,
@stefan@stefanbohacek.online avatar

@Neblib Yep, I was just reading that!

I think this doesn't have to be too complicated, the idea is to prevent misinformation to spread, and even this will help.

morph,
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@stefan Hmm ... per instance or federated?

stefan,
@stefan@stefanbohacek.online avatar

@morph Federated would make sense, to deal with misinformation going viral.

stefan,
@stefan@stefanbohacek.online avatar

Maybe even just a "note from the moderator".

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