DarkGamer,
DarkGamer avatar

Sorry, we don't negotiate with performance art terrorists.

Smeagol666,

Do this instead: sell those works, or maybe half of them, and give the money to Genocide Joe to bribe him to pardon Assange. Hell, if he lives long enough to see Trump elected, it would probably only cost half of that.

SuckMyWang,

Can’t he sell the painting and then spend 45milion on a lobbying and awareness advertising campaign? That might help more

UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT,

I don’t think $45 million would get you much attention, SuckMyWang, but destroying “priceless” art definitely would. And has.

It’s like what that famous old cathedral burned down? Rich fucks love all that old western canon shit

SuckMyWang,

If 45 million spent completely on getting attention won’t get much attention, how much would he need? And I mean he could still do that. He could change his mind and decide to sell it instead of burning it having already received a heap of free attention

FluffyPotato,

As long as the US has the Hague invasion act along with some of the most inhumane sentences and prisons no country should extradite a non US citizen there. I’m pretty sure the only crime he committed was in Sweden anyways so they should have him.

RizzRustbolt,

Well… bye.

OldWoodFrame,

Seems kinda pointless, I don’t think anyone involved in deciding whether or not Assange dies in prison would change anything due to this.

UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT,

I wonder if they might now get involved, though. This is the kind of thing that makes it to the cocktail party circuit chatter.

OldWoodFrame,

But like really, would anyone pardon a crime because they were being blackmailed with the destruction of art? Would a parole judge really take that into consideration? Seems more likely to me it would make them less likely to help Assange for fear that it looks like the threat worked, but most likely of all they would just continue based on the law and ignore this guy.

UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT,

No of course it wouldn’t enter into it at all except that it gets people talking and taking sides. Suddenly it’s news again, and public opinion does matter.

floofloof,

I imagine the point is to raise awareness of Assange’s position with people who care about the artworks, in an attempt to inspire others to campaign for his fair treatment.

cygon,

I think a lot of us only roughly remember the details (or didn’t follow the later revelations) about Assange. My memory was weak, too, so here is a short refresher (with links!)

Pre 2015Wikileaks did ethical releases of leaked information (vouched; cleaned of names and details that would expose individuals to danger) and exposed generally diplomatic and military-industrial dirt.

Trump CampaignAssange and thus Wikileaks sided with the GOP. Wikileaks had a line to Trump’s campaign team. They also sat on a trove of DNC E-Mails provided by Russian hackers. Wikileaks timed releases to blot out news that could hurt Trump. In one case, the Trump campaign urgently asked for a leak and got Wikileaks to act within 30 minutes. Wikileaks also refused to publish leaks harming Russia.

From the private chat logs (more in the Business Insider article linekd above), some things Assange said to his, until then, progressive aides

Assange: “We believe it would be much better for GOP to win. Dems+Media+liberals woudl [sic] then form a block to reign in their worst qualities.

Assange: “Russia is absolutely terrified. Kalingrad, Crimea, and its only foreign naval base, Syria are all under threat and are not protected by Russia’s strategic depth. Meanwhile the US hacks the hell out of it

It looks to me like Assange got suckered in by Russian propaganda rather than sell out intentionally, but that’s just my own guess.

Rape ChargesIn Sweden, he used his fame to obtain sex from two women, both times trying to refuse condoms. He was creepy and pushy with both. Woman A suspected he manipulated his condom. Woman B woke up in the night to find Assange had climbed on top of her for “second servings” without asking and had penetrated her without a condom.

From my own memory: neither woman went to the police, but when they talked about it (to press?), a public prosecutor in Sweden was duty-bound to start a rape investigation.

It gets too messy from there. The US had an interest in Assange’s extradition and may have plausibly exerted pressure. The women received threats and hate. Russia fanned the flames under everything to fuel division and turn more Wikileaks supporters against the US.

The rest is history. I don’t know where to stand. Assange and Wikileaks were once forces for good. But, in my opinion, he got played, never realized or never admitted to it, and is now just another lackey aiding Russia.

floofloof,

I think we can separate the question of whether he ended up working for Russia from the question of how to treat him fairly. If we would want a certain level of humane treatment for a journalist publishing leaked information, that should apply whether or not we approve of the agenda behind what they’re doing, and whether or not we think they’re being played.

Flumpkin,

He’s a journalist and a political prisoner.

Who can say where one should stand? 🤷‍♂️

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

If these art pieces are in a private collection that can’t be enjoyed by everyone already: Was anything of value to culture really lost? 🤔

Would the very fact that destroying them would be meaningful, as well as publicly documented, be more artisticly valuable than keeping the artwork locked up in a vault?

nednobbins,

A lot of the art that is currently in museums was once donated by a private collector. Many private collectors will also lend their art to museums for special exhibitions.

Some art in private collections stays private but once it’s been destroyed there’s no chance it will ever get to the public.

systemglitch,

Extremely short sighted view of reality.

BreakDecks,

This is a thought-provoking stunt. There’s a desire to get upset about the deliberate destruction of art, but getting mad about what it would mean if the art was destroyed is directly tied to a world where Julian Assange dies in state custody, and it makes little sense to care about 16 paintings more than a human life, or the implication that we are not free to speak out against authority.

mods_are_assholes,

Assange is a russian asset, let him rot in prison.

JairSterre,

You’re an American asset, I hope you rot in prison.

mods_are_assholes,

Touch grass, troll.

JairSterre,

Nah bitch

mods_are_assholes,

Yeah, to go outside you’d need to put on pants for once this year.

JairSterre,

Ahw man do I really gotta? I mean I was gonna… But then I got high.

dejected_warp_core,

to care about 16 paintings more than a human life, or the implication that we are not free to speak out against authority.

I just wanted to pull this quote, because it’s on the nose. With either passive or active participation, the mere suggestion of this act is polarizing and says big things very loudly.

Churbleyimyam,

At the current rate it is almost certain that Assange will, eventually, die in prison. Instead the collector should set a timer on it so that the art is destroyed if Assange is not released by a certain date.

intensely_human,

Perhaps that date is Julian Assange’s natural lifespan?

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Based

LesserAbe,

It’s a pretty well conceived piece of art, because it’s actually saying something and provoking a reaction. And it’s fascinating that it’s building on and dependent on other masterpieces.

Mr_Blott,

I love the way the comment above you translated your comment for the young’uns, and just says “Based”

Grass,

Is it worth looking up so assange is? Is it okay to read it as ass Angie?

Texas_Hangover,

How educated you want to be is entirely up to you.

gregorum,

Warhol would probably approve of this, tbh

andthenthreemore,
@andthenthreemore@startrek.website avatar

¯_(ツ)_/¯ it’s not in the public sphere but your private collection, so you do you chap.

In my opinion privately owned art of a high enough cultural value should either not be allowed to be privately owned, or if it is then it should have to be on permanent loan to free admission public galleries. But that’s not the case.

systemglitch,

Yeah more government intervention is what the world needs.

andthenthreemore,
@andthenthreemore@startrek.website avatar

Yeah cause leaving companies and the super rich to self regulate has worked so well.

systemglitch,

So now we want to spend tax payer money keeping track of art? Fuck that lol

andthenthreemore,
@andthenthreemore@startrek.website avatar

Better than spending it giving tax breaks to the rich or subsidising companies that are destroying the planet.

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