Snapz,

Consequences. Not enough for the damage inflicted, but at least consequences.

Olhonestjim, (edited )

“I feared for my life!”

Yeah I’ll bet you did.

Fucking coward.

Skates,

Are you sarcastically implying there’s no way someone would fear for their life in that situation, and then in the next sentence that the shooter is an easily frightened person who might’ve feared for their life?

GBU_28,

If you have the paranoid delusion that a car turning around in your driveway is a threat, you are a serious risk to the public.

Quadhammer,

The shooter sounds like a gigantic pussy

Olhonestjim, (edited )

“I feared for my life!” Is a direct quote I’ve heard more than a couple times from big burly manly Texas men I’ve worked with. I’d bet $20 this guy used to talk the same trash. They’ll claim that if they ever have to kill somebody, they’ll say that to the cops / judge and get set free for having fired in self-defense. I keep my thoughts to myself.

Except with y’all!

It sounds to me that these guys want everybody to think they’re super tough, but their pre-planned defense is to claim cowardice as a virtue, and they’ll tell you so ahead of time. It baffles me that they fail to feel shame for it, but I believe them when they proudly declare what cowards they are.

And yeah, that dude was an angry coward who wanted to lash out at the first person who dared cross an imaginary line in his head. There’s no reason to be afraid when a couple cars come down your driveway. But they’ve let themselves get whipped into a bloodthirsty frenzy over imaginary terrors. Fear is a central facet of their personalities.

nonfuinoncuro,
PoliticalAgitator,

He feared that his best chance to get away with shooting someone was peacefully driving away.

Voroxpete,

Funnily enough, I believe him.

This is what a steady diet of Fox News does to a motherfucker. This is exactly why Americans are so obsessed with guns, it’s why they pour so much money into their military, and it’s why 9/11 fundamentally reshaped their culture. They’re terrified of everything and anything around them, all the God damn time. They have to be armed, they have to be the biggest military power on the planet, and God forbid anyone remind them that none of that does them any good. America is a culture entirely driven by fear.

Fear doesn’t excuse what he did. You don’t get to murder defenceless people just because you’re afraid. He chose to own a lethal weapon and he chose to make using that weapon his first reaction to something that frightened him, instead taking even a few seconds to assess the situation. That’s 100% on him, and deserves every single year of that sentence and more.

nifty, (edited )
@nifty@lemmy.world avatar

America is a culture entirely driven by fear.

Some politicians would find themselves unelectable if they didn’t have a platform of fear and othering to depend on for their continued access to power.

normanwall, (edited )

It’s what Fox News does to a brain. Remember these people pointing guns at protestors? https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/480a6e94-d42b-4aa5-936a-019c6b0decd5.png

ShaggySnacks,

As someone who doesn’t own guns. This photo always makes me cringe.

All I see is poor trigger discipline, poor muzzle control, and two dumb fucks. It’s amazing that they didn’t “accidental” start blasting.

PalmTreeIsBestTree,

The only harmful thing someone could do in your drive way is illegally park in it. This is when you call a tow truck.

corymbia,

What if people were being gay or black?!?! Next to his house?!?!!

jaschen,

Sorry, best I can do is a police on your neck with his knees.

stoly,

Or be like that farmer and use your tractor.

motor_spirit,

I hope this pussy lives in fear and doesn’t have a comfortable hour for the rest of his useless existence

God damn conservatives and gun people are the biggest bunch of frail cunts on this planet

lemmylem,

I own a firearm because I don’t want to be a victim again. Until you know what its like to truly fear for your life, only then you’d understand.

Although, I’m not going to defend this guy who ruthlessly shot that poor girl, simply no excuse for that.

Isthisreddit,

Not sure what your point is? Are you defending him for having a gun?

thedeadwalking4242,

They are defending themselves for having a gun, probably because the feel guilty for having one at their core or feel like others will judge them for it

gamermanh,

Or because the comment they directly replied to said “gun people” broadly and they took it to mean "owners"and not “ammosexuals”

starman2112,
@starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

or feel like others will judge them for it

I can’t imagine why they would feel that way after reading

gun people are the biggest bunch of frail cunts on this planet

Isthisreddit,

Yeah I think there is a bit of a disconnect with gun people. Some people are purely about self defense, some people are just genuine enthusiasts, and then there is the group of people who like to pretend they are part of the first two groups but really seem to have a lust for blood - be it fear (someone rings the door bell, or mistakenly drives down the driveway), perceived persecution, political ideology or just downright racist shit.

Antigun people seem to think everyone who likes guns is part of the last crazy group. It’s a bit hard to really tell who is who sometimes, but it’s definitely impossible to keep the guns out of the crazies hands.

GBU_28, (edited )

Whole lot of projecting in this thread

Edit dowmvotes from those who are afraid of being downvoted themselves!

lemmylem, (edited )

You said: ‘gun people are the biggest bunch of frail cunts’

What about the people who physically can’t protect themselves? Are you going to call a rape victim who has a gun to protect themselves a frail cunt?

AA5B,

Yes, they have no business carrying a deadly weapon. I’m not minimizing the crime nor the impact on the victim, quite the contrary. Unless there’s a serious reason to expect recurrence and law enforcement is no help, you’re giving a traumatized untrained person a deadly weapon. You’re setting that victim up to murder an innocent person.

How is this person any different than you hypothetical rape victim? I don’t know why he may have been living in fear, but having a deadly weapon just meant that a traumatized untrained person murdered an innocent person.

lemmylem,

1.) Do you expect all criminals to follow the law?

2.) Are you assuming that every rape victim is crazy?

3.) What about when law enforcement doesn’t show up in time?

4.) How do you know they’re not 3D printing firearms?

5.) What about when your government becomes tyrannical?

AA5B,
  1. I assume innocent people far outnumber criminals
  2. I assume many rape victims, and many other people are traumatized. I assume they may act out of fear.
  3. I assume the likelihood of anyone defending themselves from an actual threat is very low, especially someone acting out of fear, especially someone untrained. They’re not likely to be making rational, responsible choices, nor able to reliably do what they intend. You’re just trading one problem for another
  4. I assume someone 3D printing a weapon is a stupid edge case. Very few people can do it, it’s unlikely to work well, more likely to injure the user. Most importantly no one is 3D printing a gun on impulse, emotion, fear
  5. protecting yourself from a tyrannical government is completely unrealistic, and you could argue already here. Governments will always have many orders of magnitude more resources than you, many more deadly weapons, and many more practiced killers. Most importantly we’re no longer in a time when most of the governments weapons are people bringing their own musket. It’s more important than ever to defend against a tyrannical government, but frightened people shooting anyone who turns around in their driveway or knocks on their door is not the way to do it.
lemmylem, (edited )

1.) That doesn’t really mean anything.

2 & 3.) How do you know they didn’t receive help/treatment? Also, you can’t just assume that every person is the same, most people go out of their way to get proper training to use a firearm.

4.) No, it’s gotten way easier, there are blueprints everywhere online freely available and guides on how to make 3D printed guns at home.

5.) Why did the USA pull out of Afghanistan then? We have the best military in the world, yet we couldn’t beat the people who live in the desert that had basically nothing? Urbanization is a nightmare in any war. In the end, it doesn’t matter how many resources they have. You have to remember that people in the military have friends and family back home, there would be a lot of internal conflict. Also, If we leave the people defenseless, we’ll end up just like China and Russia.

Doof,

You are unfortunately wrong about printed guns, they are way more common and are actually useable now.

oatscoop, (edited )

They live a privileged life where nobody legitimately wants to seriously hurt or kill them, and they can trust law enforcement to protect them.

Armed minorities are harder to oppress.

hips_and_nips,

Just because you have a firearm doesn’t make you part of the “gun people” generalization.

Do you fantasize about getting to shoot your gun? Have you tied your identity to your arsenal of guns? Do you feel the need to open carry at the grocery store? Do you open fire on cars in your driveway?

No? Then you’re not in the “gun people” group being talked about. People who own guns are not the same as the “gun people”, or “gun nuts”/“ammosexuals”.

ArcaneSlime,

Just because you have a firearm doesn’t make you part of the “gun people” generalization.

Actually that’s kinda exactly what it means when people say “all gun owners blah blah blah.”

Do you fantasize about getting to shoot your gun? Have you tied your identity to your arsenal of guns? Do you feel the need to open carry at the grocery store? Do you open fire on cars in your driveway?

No, no, concealed (especially after Buffalo), and the last one is called “crime.”

No? Then you’re not in the “gun people” group being talked about. People who own guns are not the same as the “gun people”, or “gun nuts”/“ammosexuals”.

Disagree. If I say all women are sluts, but then some nun says “well I’m not,” I can’t claim I wasn’t talking about “all women” when I said “all women.” It’s preposterous. By that same coin, when someone says “all gun owners,” they can’t claim to "only be talking about the bad ones.” One should instead be more specific, like say “irresponsible gun owners blah blah blah,” if one wishes to make the distinction between “all” and “bad.”

*Disclaimer: No, I don’t believe all women are sluts, I was using it as an example of a stupid generalization specifically. I shouldn’t have to add this disclaimer, but we all know I have to before some cheesedick decides that was my argument and argues with a strawman.

hips_and_nips, (edited )

“Gun people” != “all gun owners”

They didn’t say “all gun owners” they said “gun people” which to anyone with awareness can infer it means the people who tie their identity to their weapons.

What a shitty analogy to women, I’m not even going to touch that.

Would it have been clearer if the original comment said “irresponsible gun people”, sure, but it wasn’t and self-centered people want to be the victim when they haven’t understood they aren’t even in the group.

I’m Dutch and even I could glean the intended meaning from the context.

ArcaneSlime,

Yeah so if I say “woman people” I’m not talking about all of them, only a specific subsect that I failed to describe, and then I’m confused why people think I’m generalizing?

C’mon, “gun people” is a clear generalization that clearly implies “all gun owners.” He could’ve said “irresponsible gun owners” to single out those who he wished to refer to, but he didn’t, thus the “confusion.” If it was actually his wish to single out those people, actually doing so in the future would help his posts not be misunderstood.

Lol yes, don’t bother touching how dumb generalizations are, make them instead.

So you’re telling me that making generalizations about a group is good, and if someone in that group feels like the generalization is unfair and doesn’t reflect them or reality, they should stop being a snowflake? You by chance voting for an orange this election?

Ah, Dutch, that explains it. The Dutch love to generalize.

stoly,

You have never genuinely had to fear for your life unless you were in the military. You’re building a narrative to justify killing people.

papagoose08,
@papagoose08@lemmy.world avatar

He’s got “I shoot people in my driveway” hair.

danc4498, (edited )

If he did this in Florida they would have thrown him a parade.

mp3,
@mp3@lemmy.ca avatar
jaschen,

Wow, the judge did the right thing. Great video.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I had the fun of explaining the Castle Doctrine, Stand-Your-Ground laws and Trayvon Martin’s murder to my 13-year-old today.

So at least I got to read some good news regarding someone who murdered in “self-defense.”

TheObviousSolution, (edited )

It’s a good thing she wasn’t black. Well, as good as can be under the circumstances of still having been killed.

starman2112,
@starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

Judge Adam Michelini slammed Monahan in court, saying

NO HE DIDN’T. He SLAMMED Monahan by giving a calm milquetoast “what you did is awful and you should feel ashamed” statement? I wanna see a judge suplex a motherfucker before I see the word SLAM used in this context again

Olhonestjim, (edited )

Reporter SLAMMED for overuse of the word SLAM in clickbait titles.

Probably not even written by a human though, really.

achance4cheese,

I don’t know what it is but I love it when the word slam is casually thrown into headlines and articles. Some weird fetish I guess. I don’t like clickbait but the use of that word is hilarious to me, especially when describing casual arguments like this instance.

ULTIMATE_FUCKTRUMPET,
zip,

What the fuck?

AbidanYre, (edited )

He’s now governor of that state. Fuck Montana

zip,

Holy shit. Why are people the way that they are!?

InEnduringGrowStrong, (edited )
@InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works avatar

Why do judges have hammers if not to SLAM.

elephantium,
@elephantium@lemmy.world avatar

From the hammer to the slammer. Fear the judge.

GlassHalfHopeful,
@GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca avatar

I was waiting for some news on this and I’m so grateful to hear that he’s actually gonna be punished.

Absolutely nothing can make up for what he did, but I pray to the cosmos that this deters other fools.

PoliticallyIncorrect,
@PoliticallyIncorrect@lemmy.world avatar

Good. Fucking nut bastard.

ganksy,
@ganksy@lemmy.world avatar

A-1 Quality judge up there in NY.

NocturnalMorning,

Yeah, it’s stuff like this that’s made me afraid to pull into driveways to turn around. I’m afraid to even pull up and stop next to a house in a neighborhood I don’t know. There have been so many stories like this going around lately.

Kraven_the_Hunter,

Here’s hoping for life.

ceenote,

Wish I hadn’t read this headline, it validates the anxiety I’ve had before about being confronted for turning around in a stranger’s driveway.

dual_sport_dork,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

Dude, people get unreasonably pissy about that. I don’t know why. For instance, there are several houses around here with big “No U Turns In Driveway!” or similar signage to the same effect, which all have like 4 foot long driveways in locations where I can’t imagine anyone would be looking for a spot to turn around anyway.

Motherfuckers must be paranoid. It’s got to be exhausting, being so spooked all the time.

ptz,
@ptz@dubvee.org avatar

Devil’s avocado: People used to turn around in my driveway all the time at my old house. If they stayed on the pavement, that’d be one thing. But half of them cut into the grass, and it turned it into and stayed a rutted, muddy mess.

Granted, I would never start taking pot shots at people turning, but I did put up a sign.

Duranie,

Thus the giant rocks I see on either side of the end of some driveways. Possible car damage seems to be a helpful deterrent to driving through the grass.

bryan,
@bryan@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I have big boulders for inflicting car damage if someone goes off the driveway.

Otherwise I don’t care if someone turns around in my driveway.

ptz,
@ptz@dubvee.org avatar

That works too. lol I just didn’t have any handy, and I thought cinder blocks would either look trashy or get stolen.

AbidanYre, (edited )

They only look trashy until they get stolen.

Win/win? Lose/lose? That’s for you to decide.

dual_sport_dork,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

To prevent people from parking in front of and blocking my driveway, which happens often due to the location, I cast some traffic cones out of concrete and spaced them so parallel parking anything larger than a motorcycle is impossible but you can pull in between them nose first or in reverse. They weigh 180 pounds each, and look squishy… until you strike them with a vehicle.

Watching morons clonk into them is hilarious. But they seldom do it twice.

ThisIsNotHim,
@ThisIsNotHim@sopuli.xyz avatar

Boulders are the best kind of decorative bollard

stoly,

Yeah that sucks but a couple large rocks or simple fence would take care of it.

SchmidtGenetics, (edited )

There is some legitimate reasons for it, but not likely to ever be the case. Larger vehicles may damage their driveway if it’s older or not as well built. So it works for their sedan, but an f-150 or a EV could irreparably damage it. People wouldn’t ever think of that, it’s like driving on their grass basically. Who does that?

It’s their private property, they do have a right to protect from damage from people entering it, but not to death.

someguy3,

Lol if a F150 or EV damages your “driveway” it was never an actual driveway to begin with. As in, no it won’t damage a driveway. You’re thinking of a lawn.

SchmidtGenetics,

I mean that’s just plain fucking false

Brooks said. The extra weight will affect everything from faster wear on residential streets and driveways to vehicle tires and infrastructure like parking garages.

ShepherdPie,

Michael Brooks, executive director of the nonprofit Center for Auto Safety

How does this even make him qualified to be making such statements? Furthermore, my residential neighborhood is full of 25 year old driveways and big ass trucks like F350 diesels and nobody has damaged driveways.

SchmidtGenetics, (edited )

You understand that some people cut corners and may not have the same quality of products yeah? That’s for them to decide, not you. Some people make their driveway out of paving stones FFS LMFAO.

And some counties have different codes and standards, maybe where you live it’s 6” slabs and it’s fine, but lots of places are 3.5” driveways dude. And lots of places cut corners dropping it to even 3” or less. Without engineers verifying, it’s a crapshoot. And no one wants to pay for that for a resi driveway.

Not everyone is going to have the same experiences as you lmfao.

someguy3, (edited )

Wear on road goes up by the fourth power. Do you have any idea what a fully loaded tractor trailer weighs? Consumer vehicles are not even a rounding error.

SchmidtGenetics,

Residential roads are built vastly different than interstate roads. Sorry to inform you.

someguy3, (edited )

To, you know, build those houses you have those tractor trailers. And concrete trucks. In addition to transit buses, garbage trucks, moving and furniture trucks. Consumer vehicles are a rounding error.

SchmidtGenetics, (edited )

Those are weight limited to feeder roads, only smaller versions of those can do down the actual residential roads. They aren’t built the same, no matter how much you want to claim and argue they are. Roads are built differently, and some have weight limits since the weight will absolutely destroy them.

When you order concrete, they can’t always send the large trucks, it can cost more to do work on residential streets since they need to batch more vehicles and more drivers. If you aren’t in the industry, you probably wouldn’t know this, but the road construction differences are all over the NHTSA website if you want to learn something.

someguy3, (edited )

Oh yeah no concrete trucks lol. Do you think they are weight limited to residential vehicles? Fucking lol. Doubt they could even do that empty. And you didn’t even touch all my other examples.

Dude at a certain point you have to admit you’re wrong and stop digging your hole. Seems you can’t here so cheers.

SchmidtGenetics, (edited )

There’s more than one type of concert truck dude… there’s tractor trailer (won’t send on residential roads) and a bodyjob. Which are legal for residential roads. One can hold more, so it weighs more, and would damage those roads, so they get fined if they send large vehicles down them. This isn’t a lie, this is a fact lmfao. And you want to claim it’s not? Read the NHTSA legislation, it’s all right there for you in ways to digest format.

They have more tires that have a larger footprint so its weight is distributed more, that’s what matters, not the weight, the psi it exerts onto the ground. You would be surprised to find they exert less force overall than other vehicles, but I know you won’t ever believe this lmfao.

Theres is also weight limited roads. Did you not learn about these during drivers ed…?

someguy3,

See you have to keep drifting from EVs and F150s, fucking lol. Remember that was your first hole. Besides trying to effectively ignore, well, all my examples (because yes I am familiar with the concrete trucks used in residential construction). And driveways were covered with moving trucks and furniture trucks (fully loaded of course). Ok I really can’t keep correcting you all day. Cheers.

SchmidtGenetics,

You can’t correct me since you are entirely mistaken and wrong lmfao.

Its weight distribution, the overall weight is a portion of the calculation. Theres a reason why larger vehicles have more larger tires dude…

It’s okay to be wrong, the NHTSA has some wonderful information for you.

someguy3, (edited )

FYI it’s actually axle weight (that’s taken to the 4th power), that you don’t even know that while trying to present yourself as an authority says it all. Feel free to look it up. But you can’t spread it out enough over 3 to 4 to 5 axles to equal consumer vehicles. Not even close, and then the 4th power. That’s why consumer vehicles are not even a rounding error. Ok that’s it, really. Cheers.

SchmidtGenetics, (edited )

For asphalt… for concrete it’s psi, which changes on the amount of tires per axle….

Driveways are typically concrete and roads are typically asphalt. You’re arguing different angles and points:

You’re conflating the two. It happens. This is why you should stick to one argument instead of trying to bring others in to make your point. You just conflate shit lol, there’s a reason why it’s considered a fallacy to do it.

ricecake,

Protect as in “put up a sign”, sure. But I can’t justify any amount of force to protect someone’s driveway.

If your driveway is damaged by using it as a driveway, then it’s already too late and you need a new one. You have no control over what delivery people are driving, or any number or legitimate public service workers who might need to stop at your house.

SchmidtGenetics, (edited )

No delivery driver pulls up on driveways anywhere I have been, and you can request them not too as well. Lots will damage driveways due their weight (see below), so policy is to avoid for liability reasons.

And same as above for public service workers as well, you can request stuff too.

And that’s actually not true, lots of driveways aren’t able to handle EV weight, the standard 3.5-4” isn’t strong enough. It’ll damage very quickly. It’s not brought up enough to be honest.

limelight79, (edited )

Really? Our delivery drivers pull into the driveway all the time. Just had a FedEx truck in our driveway a few hours ago, in fact. Now that I think about it, Amazon trucks often stay at the street, but not always; my wife had to wait for one to leave the other day when she got home as Amazon was making a delivery.

troyunrau,
@troyunrau@lemmy.ca avatar

Everyone but Amazon pulls into my driveway. I share a double wide driveway with the neighbours and the deliver drivers love it. Only time it’s been an issue was when a ambulance parked there for someone across the street and we couldn’t exit. Woe is me – someone is literally dying and I had a minor inconvenience. All in all, pretty happy with it.

otp,

you can request them not too as well.

Not too what? Request them not too heavy…?

ricecake,

EVs aren’t uniformly heavier than ice vehicles. Median weight is 2145kg vs 1768kg for ice. Your driveway should be able to hold around 8000 lbs, or 3600 kg. Basically the only ev you need to worry about is an electric Hummer.

And, again, if you feel your driveway can’t be used as a driveway, it’s already broken. The point of the thing is for people to put cars on it.
You’re welcome to put signs up on your own property for whatever you like, but you look silly getting upset for something like that.

It’s like putting up a sign demanding that people don’t knock on your door because if they do it’ll fall off the hinges. It’s your right, but don’t be surprised if people don’t look for the sign, and maybe just get something that isn’t broken.

SchmidtGenetics,

That 8000lbs is for 3” of asphalt, not concrete.

You are entirely misinformed.

ShepherdPie,

Concrete is stronger than asphalt though.

acockworkorange,

I was going to point that out. It’s significantly stronger. What a boob.

ricecake, (edited )

Weird, because “googling it” shows that every source says otherwise.

Maybe you should check your recollection before spouting off about stuff so confidently.

If 300kg makes that big a difference, your driveway is broken. Do you think your driveway is permanently damaged by something as extreme as “two cars” being parked on it?

stoly,

This is what happens when you have a libertarian rural populace. They believe that you entering their property is an invasion of their sanctity.

tim-clark,
tim-clark avatar

I have one of those signs along with beware of dogs. Living in the country there has been a ton of theft here, stopped once i got 2 dogs. People were pulling in grabbing stuff often the first few years here. Other issue is I have a narrow driveway and road, it a pain to back out and not go in the ditch or hit the mailbox. 500ft down the road is a turn around for the school bus, they can turn around there.

Side note, due to the unruly angry people that live in the country. Was taught as a kid to not use people's driveways for turning around, don't want to get shot.

gladflag,

Living life in fear.

tim-clark,
tim-clark avatar

I'm American, grew up being aware of the nuts with guns that live thier life in fear. Have had guns in my face so many times, it's no fear but frustration with theft. Living in the country you get shot at often for no reason

AbidanYre,

If someone is using a driveway to turn around, I’d put money on them being lost and not knowing about the bus turn around farther down the road.

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