morphballganon,

Now taxpayers get to pay for his food and housing for the rest of his life, neat!

starman2112, (edited )
@starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

And he gets to sit in a shitty box surrounded by other murderers for the short remainder of his pathetic life. I’m fine with that

wildcardology,

So you don’t want him in prison and maybe kill another one that turns up in his driveway?

morphballganon,

What you’re doing right now is called projection.

ZeroCool,

It’s not.

morphballganon,

When you assume someone else’s ideas for solutions must be as limited as your own, yes, that’s what projection is.

ZeroCool, (edited )

That’s not even remotely close to what they did. Try again.

morphballganon,

I did just fine the first time. Thread full of fascists gonna fascist.

mriormro,
@mriormro@lemmy.world avatar

You genuinely sound dumb. I’m sorry you’re like this.

Crashumbc,

You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

corsicanguppy,

Nah. Just objectification when he uses ‘that’ in place of ‘who’. Different entirely.

digdug,

It's probably closer to a strawman or false dichotomy, than it is projection.

Though, providing basic needs to prisoners seems like a relatively small price to pay to keep them off the streets and hopefully deter other crime.

morphballganon,

It’s absolutely a false dichotomy, but when they suggested I must want the other half of the dichotomy, that is projection.

Blumpkinhead,

I mean, what would you rather happen?

morphballganon,

Release all the inmates that are there on nonviolent drug crimes, so the cost of prisons goes way down?

But that’s too hard of course.

dellish,

Taxes get spent on all sorts of stuff you don’t want or need - that’s the purpose of tax, so the country can spend money on things it needs but individuals don’t necessarily want. You might as well complain about tax being spent to build roads you’re never going to drive on, or social services you don’t partake in. It’s all the same pool of money.

morphballganon,

The US has a for-profit prison problem. 25-year sentences are a symptom of that problem.

AbidanYre, (edited )

Ok. What does that have to do with this murder case?

Edit: Since you’re so fond of identifying things (even though you have yet to get one right) your answer there was a non sequitur.

ZeroCool, (edited )

Absolutely nothing, but I get the impression they think it’s a compelling point.

morphballganon,

25 year sentences would not even be considered if rehabilitation was the intention. It is a sign of a sick system when we applaud 25 year sentences. The guy is not going to get better help for his mental illness after year 24 than he will get in the first year.

AbidanYre,

Are you suggesting that a 1 year sentence is appropriate for murder?

morphballganon,

Why is this thread so full of projection? Why do the people here find it so hard to accept that our prison system is broken?

AbidanYre, (edited )

You really don’t know what that word means, but dagnabbit you’re not going to let that stop you from using it.

I’ll make it simple. What do you think is an appropriate response to 2nd degree murder?

morphballganon,

The shooter is 65. That means at the end of a 25-year sentence he will be 90. Do you think he’ll still be a danger to the public at 80? 85?

I think 15 years would be plenty.

ZeroCool, (edited )

Yeah, that’s how prison works. Most people consider it a small price to pay to keep murderers off the streets.

ki77erb, (edited )

Is the government able to take possession of his house/land and personal property, sell it and use that to help fund his incarceration? Is that a thing?

Before I get downvoted to oblivion, I’m not saying they SHOULD. I’m just asking if that’s something they do. Maybe I should have worded it better.

hemko, (edited )

I don’t know the rules in USA but I’d assume only in case of debt they are not able to pay after some time (years, likely). This could be fines or legal fees

NatakuNox,
@NatakuNox@lemmy.world avatar

His assets will be sold off to pay the victims family and to cover the trauma the other passengers received from the crime.

ptz, (edited )
@ptz@dubvee.org avatar

Is the government able to take possession of his house/land and personal property, sell it and use that to help fund his incarceration? Is that a thing?

Yeah, a gateway to even more corruption. We already have Civil Asset Forfeiture, and it’s abused exactly how you think it would be. In all but a few cases, the money goes to law enforcement (local or otherwise). It’s basically legalized theft, though some states have higher thresholds than others.

Emphases mine:

In the United States, civil forfeiture (also called civil asset forfeiture or civil judicial forfeiture)[1] is a process in which law enforcement officers take assets from people who are suspected of involvement with crime or illegal activity without necessarily charging the owners with wrongdoing.

corsicanguppy, (edited )

Like good healthcare. Even good prison food is cheaper due to economies of scale.

We could feed way more homeless with some properly consolidated soup kitchens attached to gov bed-spaces.

someguy3,

Good.

TheAuthor_13,

Fucking good. Rot slowly, psycho.

Yawweee877h444,

Great news. Fuck this guy.

dual_sport_dork,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

Certified redneck gun nut here: I also say fuck that guy.

Thassodar,

I was literally thinking about this case when turning around in someone’s driveway this week. Great precedent for conservatives who believe minorities are around every corner trying to take their homes.

Mac,

Yank the handbrake and do a 180 in the street. It’s for your own safety, after all!

Thassodar,

You can’t ticket me officer! I was just trying not to get shot!

Mac,

acorn falls

“I’m in danger :)”

corsicanguppy,

I was just trying not to get shot!

I worry this is a valid excuse for missing school, sneaking out of a concert, doing doughnuts on a lawn, etc.

Pistols are lethal a mile out from where they were fired. Can you imagine how many guns are within a mile radius in many parts of America ?

It seems taking a trip to Mexico is also a valid way to escape gun violence.

icydefiance, (edited )

Canada would be. Mexico’s homicide rate is almost 5x higher than the USA.

TheBat,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

Source?

icydefiance,

Google “us homicide rate” and then “mexico homicide rate”. It’ll take you 5 seconds.

elmicha,

Apparently it’s only bad for Mexicans:

Using those figures, the murder rate of U.S. citizens in Mexico was around 0.26 per 100,000 visitors, significantly lower than the rate in the United States.

icydefiance,

Tourists choose the safest areas of the country to visit, and they don’t stay very long, so yeah that makes sense. You’re not really escaping gun violence in the USA if you only leave the country for a few days, though.

Mac, (edited )

Macrotrends whose source is World Bank

18_24_61_b_17_17_4,
@18_24_61_b_17_17_4@lemmy.world avatar

And it’ll get you pussy! Chicks love handbrake turns.

Mac,

Please tell me this a TopGear reference.

18_24_61_b_17_17_4, (edited )
@18_24_61_b_17_17_4@lemmy.world avatar

Yessir hahaha. Good eye.

Mac,

That bit was so funny. Especially since the handbrake turns were awful. Lmao

TheWeirdestCunt,

They’re hot for James May right now!

bobs_monkey,

While shooting someone for turning around in your driveway is absolutely ridiculous, I’d also say turning around in some rando’s driveway to be on the rude side.

BakerBagel,

It happens all the time and only takes 5 seconds tops. It has probably happened to you multiple times and you never noticed.

bobs_monkey, (edited )

I also have a downslope driveway that ices up in the winter, and have had someone hit my car and take off doing it, so yeah I’d rather they didn’t. I also respect people’s private property.

NocturnalMorning,

I also respect people’s private property.

That’s about the most asinine way you possibly could have ended that sentence. You almost had my sympathy for why you feel the way you do until said that.

meyotch,

I respect people. If a person I respect has property, by the transitive property, the property gets a sort of respect.

Quadhammer,

To an extent I agree to respect people’s property, but I think community takes precedent here. People shouldn’t fear for their lives if they need to turn around. If you’re that fearful of people you need to live somewhere without roads

SomeoneSomewhere,

Things might be different in the US, but here in NZ the first meter or two off the road is usually road reserve, which is council property. That’s where footpaths/sidewalks, street trees, and utilities are run.

The bit of your driveway that is actually yours doesn’t start until about where your front fence is, if you have one.

Duranie,

Nope - absolutely the same here. There’s typically a stretch of property facing the street and potentially in an adjacent alley where the homeowner is responsible for basic maintenance (mowing the grass) but it’s used for utility access and may be taken off they decide to widen the roads. I’m sure exceptions exist, but less commonly.

AbidanYre,

Hell, one of the houses I looked at when I moved had an easement about farmers taking cows across the yard (probably leftover from the 1700s, but still).

AA5B, (edited )

Arguably your driveway, front walk, and front step/porch is s there expressly for other people to use. Sure, wandering around the front yard of someone you don’t know is rude/disrespectful, as is hitting their car, but you’re providing a well defined way for anyone to approach your house, so really can’t object to them using it

corsicanguppy,

Big city guy right here.

bobs_monkey,

I live in the mountains but ok

TheBat,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

Go deeper in caves and stay there.

bobs_monkey,

How intellectual of you

acockworkorange,

It’s turning around, not seeing the end of the driveway. Only uses the public part of the driveway anyway. Get your head out of your ass.

orphiebaby,

♪ I’m… trigger-happy! Trigger-happy every day! (Every day!) ♪

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSD3brpn2nE

Clent,

Where does one get this certification and does it require building things out of beer cans?

TheControlled,

I’ve known a lot of gun nuts and none of them were psychopathic, no matter their politics. This guy isn’t a gun nut, he’s a monster.

Tja,

Good

pearsaltchocolatebar,

Good.

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