Former President Donald Trump on Sunday called for recusal of the judge presiding over the federal case that alleges he illegally conspired to overturn his election loss to President Joe Biden in 2020.
I respect that sentiment, but if that happens, his stupid conspiracy believing gun-nut militia joining followers would probably engage in multiple mass shootings nationwide. It's appalling how lax red state gun laws are.
As it is, when he goes to jail, I wouldn't be shocked if there's a handful of shootings anyway.
Even if he doesn’t go to jail they’ll probably celebrate him being found innocent with mass shootings, similar to sports fans that trash their city after the team they like wins.
Let them go crazy and shoot some shit. Let them show their true colors. The national guard has armories in every state and troops ready to respond. Let them fuck around and find out.
He has not, will not, and can not provide any reason for why she should recuse herself or in what why she’s biased. He’s just scared because she’s been tough on insurrectionists so far.
There was a former solicitor general on NPR the other day who said that conservatives should want liberal judges, not conservative judges, when they’re on trial. The reason being that liberal judges tend to be sticklers for defendants’ rights, regardless of circumstances.
20 years in prison is the likely outcome. Now that prison will be a hotel suite and Trump will likely have access to social media where he will claim to be a political prisoner, but he won’t be playing golf or riding down golden elevators.
I’ll take either at this point. Or just, as Douglas Adams once put it about what happened to the second-worst poet in the universe, “his own major intestine, in a desperate attempt to save life and creation, leapt straight up through his neck and throttled his brain.”
Y’all are still delusional if you think he’s going to jail. The u.s would never allow a president to set foot in jail. He’s a rich, white, ex president, he’s absolutely not going to jail.
The best outcome is to bog him down in lawsuits and charges until he’s dead from old age and big Macs.
Make him pay back every corrupt dollar he gifted. Lots and lots of cases for each individual crime, tying him up in court for decades. Drain him dry in lawyers fees and repayments.
It’s probably just a dream but I like the thought of it.
Fuck that. Why the fuck should he get special treatment, other than solitary confinement to make sure that no one gets information from his stupid ass?
Because in the real world, the world were the GOP rigged the system, that isn’t going to happen. Would I like it? Hell yes. I’d buy a ticket to watch him hang. I’d rather see him in a hotel on lockdown that him walking the streets in front of a camera.
This is defeatist bullshit. We are a country of laws, not men. Or so it remains to be determined. Trump must not be treated with deference and penning him at mar-a-fucko or wherever isn’t going to cut it. You’d be locked up in a supermax for doing the same shit. FFS, he’s being charged under the Espionage Act.
I would be locked up. I’m not rich and an ex president either. This fuck should be in prison for bullshit he’s done 40 years ago and has continued to do, but he’s got dirt on people and money. It’s not defeatist bullshit, it’s being realistic. IF you think he’s going to do hard time for anything, you really have no idea how things work. Is it right? Hell no, is there anything we can do about it? Again, hell no. No way in hell the people in power are going to let that happen because then we could go after them and they’d all be in prison leaving us with nobody to run shit.
Yes how absolutely unreasonable that an obese and nearly 80 year old criminal with multiple felony charges against him for some of the most serious crimes against our nation goes to a secure prison and serves his sentence like any normal person would. Wow. Relax guys.
THERE IS NO WAY I CAN GET A FAIR TRIAL WITH THE JUDGE ‘ASSIGNED’ TO THE REDICULOUS FREEDOM OF SPEECH/FAIR ELECTIONS CASE. EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS, AND SO DOES SHE
— Donald Trump
On what grounds?
Trump previously said it would be “IMPOSSIBLE” for him to get a fair trial in Washington, in part because he has called for “a Federal TAKEOVER” of the district “in order to bring our Capital back to Greatness,” according to posts on his social media site.
So the logic is that if I say some crazy ass shit then I can just keep delaying my trail and picking judges that I like? I don't think that's a great lead chief but let's see how that plays out.
He should be doing plea deals. The chances he gets found not guilty of 78 felony charges is minimal. His best scenario after pleading not guilty is 6 months to a year of house arrest. And that’s highly unlikely. He will do time.
I think it would be far more fitting a punishment for him to face his remaining few years in absolute misery. None of that “hair”, makeup, luxury, hamberders, women. Left to rot by his children and his whore. No crowds, no adulation, nothing. A pathetic, broken man, never able to escape the confines of his miserable, deeply flawed self. Left only with public humiliation, self pity, and, when the thought is able to penetrate his ironclad narcissism, the knowledge that he will be vilified by history.
Not a fan of the establishment, but I think they see him as a legitimate threat. The consequence of not holding him accountable is further disillusionment in the institutions that hold our society together.
Prosecutors don’t bring cases they can’t win. They just don’t do it. It reflects badly on them.
Add the fact that prosecuting a former president is incredibly hard. This guy 100% did all of this shit in public. They have:
Witnesses
Tape of him doing it
Video of him doing it
The actual documents
Witnesses who observed his co-conspirators
Tape of the coverup
Witnesses to the coverup
There’s no way anyone is getting away without a felony conviction. Plus, the lawyers involved are buttercups compared to the federal prosecutors.
I know one federal prosecutor. He is a very nice guy, very smart and will not hesitate to throw white collar criminals in jail. They ruin criminals’ lives like it’s their day job, because it is.
There’s no way anyone is getting away without a felony conviction.
They only need one MAGAt on the jury, and you only get so many challenges to get them out of the pool. It's why he wants to move the case to West Virginia: higher proportion of Trumpsters in the population, better chance of no conviction.
The chances of him getting a hung jury is actually incredibly high. I doubt they'll weed out all his supporters in jury selection. I honestly don't think they can convict him.
Math time! Let’s assume that all people who make it to a jury have an X% chance of never voting to convict Trump regardless of the evidence. In order to be found guilty, trump would have 100*(1-X/100)^12 % chance of being found guilty and 100-last number of getting a hung jury. For reference, if X=10%, Trump has a 28.8% chance of being declared guilty.
But wait! There is more! More indictments! Currently three. Let us assume that if a case is hung, the prosecutor doesn’t refile it. Let’s take the amount we got from the last problem, and call it Y% of getting a conviction. The chances of all three being hung are (1-Y/100)^3, or 100*(1-(1-X/100)^12)^3. Again, let us assume X=10%, then there is a 37% chance that all three are hung, or a 63% chance that he goes to prison. More separate indictments mean more protections from MAGAs making on juries.
My favorite line he says at his rally is “They’re not coming after me, they’re coming after you” - case example that the 2024 campaign is about making his greivences the greivences of his followers. Where in 2016 to his credit, he got in the White House for making other people’s greivences his own.
Right, but the judge presiding over his other case was personally appointed by Trump and has shown personal bias towards supporting Trump in the past. She hasn’t recused herself yet, that makes sense right?
It is comforting to think of Trump as an idiot, and he may be, but don’t disregard that he has consistently shown that he is superb at manipulating systems. This strategy is the M.O. of the wealthy who can afford legal fees and cheat the system over and over and over again. Every one of these judicial ploys seems ridiculous in itself, but taken together, they show how he can just delay/bog down the system to HIS advantage. The courts have to play by the rules, were he does not. This guy will never serve time. The only way he would is if he pissed off OTHER WEALTHY PEOPLE.
Anyone come to mind that you can mention? I know his history of scamming, but to my knowledge, he takes advantage of those in a less powerful position (e.g. construction companies, students, etc.)
This is just establishing the narrative. They’ll deny the motion because there’s no legal basis for it, and he’ll go on social media and blither on about how he’s the victim of an illegal witch hunt and suchlike. He knows it won’t succeed, but he doesn’t need it to succeed. He just needs to give his terrorists something to latch onto, some narrative they can take back to their echo chamber and use to morally justify more terrorism.
Funny how someone can whine about being a victim when he started out with millions of dollars and never faced real consequences for his plethora of crimes. This guy commits more crimes before breakfast than most people commit in their lifetime. Also if the White House schedule was accurate he does like nothing till late morning, so gives him more time to commit a bit of light treason to get the day started. Won’t someone think of the old rich racist white once in awhile? Not knocking on white or old dudes just the racist ones with too much privilege,
Don't you almost wish you had a Truth Social account right now? I bet you could make S'Mores off the seething, flaming, butt-hurt coming off his feed right now ;)
Desperate acts of desperation deserve mockery and condemnation, not serious attention. Trump can beg for whatever he wants, but that clown is going to jail.
The case was assigned to U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan, according to the docket in federal court in Washington, D.C. Chutkan, 61, was appointed to the district in 2014 by then-President Barack Obama. She is one of the only federal judges in D.C. who has delivered sentences against defendants in cases related to the Jan. 6 Capitol riot that are longer than the sentences that the DOJ asked for, according to NBC News.
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