People aren’t fucking paying attention. I don’t mean the 30% or so who are MAGA die-hards. I mean literally every other person who considers voting for Trump. So many of them don’t even pay attention to the news that they aren’t even aware that this is a horse race where, as bad as one contender can be, the other one is a fucking Nazi.
No, they’re paying attention. They’re voting for the fascists on purpose, because they will only hurt the people who they feel deserve it, and then America will be available to the right kind of people.
Yup. Lots of pro-lifers, 2A nuts, etc only vote based on the one topic that they’re firmly entrenched in. They don’t care about the fascism, as long as their one issue is protected.
The thing no one talks about is that these voters who want to hurt others feel that way because of a perceived hardship or wrong done to them. They are also told that immigrants and “others” who aren’t like the voter, that’s the real cause of the hardships and problems.
If those voters would ever learn that the people who hurt them are also the same ones who are telling them who to hurt there would be a fantastic reckoning. Everyone can be happy except for the psychopaths turning folks against each other.
Also, people who lean left need to get off their asses and vote. About half of eligible voters actually vote, and slightly more eligible voters lean more left than right. If half of those left leaning non-voters voted, imagine how many races would be won handily by Democrats.
To me these are the people who need to be paying attention and doing their civic duty.
They don’t care. They just don’t want to vote for a Dem. Since the Dems are commies, devil worshippers or whatever the latest meme that hit these voters’ Facebook timeline tells them to think.
I don’t mean the 30% or so who are MAGA die-hards. I mean literally every other person who considers voting for Trump.
I don’t think anyone is on the fence at this point. If anyone is even considering voting for Trump they agree with at least some of his agenda, which is entirely batshit insane.
If they find any of his qualities or policies even the slightest bit appealing they are part of the maga crowd. There’s absolutely nothing moderate about him, there’s no room for middle ground.
There is a contigent of people who are accelerationists, hate everything Trump stands for, but want to vote for him to burn it all down and start anew.
I am not one of those people… that seems like playing with strange alchemical fire.
Those people don’t understand that it’s really hard to start building something new from underneath all of the rubble.
It’s like starting a fire in your house and then hiding in the basement.
As much as I hate to say it, I still think there are people so clueless as to be voting for him for what they think are “good” economic policies (for their own 401K or the price of groceries/gas). They are so low-info that they think people are just upset with him for “mean tweets” or the like.
But how do those people ignore that the economy was a mess with Trump, disease rampant, open violence, etc? And the economy has been much improved under Biden and life has relatively calmed down? Is it all FOXnews and its wannabes?
The economy is still in the shitter. Avarage Americans are insanely poor. The housing market is still owned by corpos and the bubble is bigger than ever.
Biden didn’t make it much worse but he sure didn’t fix anything.
Im going to vote for Biden for obvious reasons, but I really wish he and his team would stop wholesale lying about the economy right now. The college I worked at went under about 4 months ago. Over half of the colleagues I was close with have not found another job yet.
We all have degrees, and are going to have to resort to working fast food.
This shit will continue to happen until Americans accept that democracy comes with at least a basic level of responsibility. That being mandatory voting.
If that demented orange rapist thinks so much as misfires a neuron in that direction, his retirement will arrive immediately. They think we’re fucking around?! MARK IT ZERO.
it is SUCH bullshit that our useless, pathetic, so-called “journalists” just watch this shit go by and pretend it’s just something that happens. They literally can not call him an anti-American coup-plotting traitor and a fascist.
Fortunately, we don’ need no steenking corporate news.
Everything else aside for a moment, trump sure it’s an incapable little bitch that is really just a mouth piece for stephan miller. trump is so weak, stupid and powerless even his hate and fascist tendencies have to be directed by another idiot. Little-handed clown boy.
Ah yes, the nazi wants to build concentration camps to murder the brown people. This is in line with his platform.
The irony with this is that the vulnerable people crossing the border would otherwise pick up low wage manufacturing and menial labor jobs that create wealth for the nation and farmers, but it seems that republicans are banking on poor white babies to grow up and accept those jobs in 14 years and be good republican voters. I don’t see the pendulum swinging so hard to the right that the strategy would ever work.
The only voter strategy they care about is rigging districts until they’re guaranteed power. Hungary is their model, if you want to look into how Orban has essentially made himself dictator.
In his first term, Trump’s plans to send troops to “war” on the southern border were thwarted. This time, he’s talking about sending up to 300,000 there
There’s a complete sentence there you didn’t read.
He (probably will be) the executive branch of the government. Unless his orders illegally suspend constitutional rights, the military must follow their CICs orders.
Edit: for all of the downvoters, what about Trump’s plan to deploy troops on American soil is illegal?
You’re assuming it’s illegal. I’m pretty sure the commander-in-chief can declare various types of emergencies and deploy a response, at will. The potentially illegal part is theres usually limits, including very short time periods, unless congress ratifies the choice. Then who’s in half of congress is so far up Trump’s ass, they’d ratify covfefe
The Nuremberg trials were only allowed to happen because of how badly the Nazis were beaten at the end of WW2. They also didn’t possess nuclear weapons. If the Americans were about to critically lose a war like the Nazis did, to the point where they would be standing trial for warcrimes a la the Nuremberg Trials, they would probably detonate their arsenal.
Also, is it illegal to deploy troops on your own soil? I wasn’t aware of that rule.
Fun fact, deploying troops inside the US is very restricted without an act of Congress to create an exception to the Posse Comitatus Act. Unless he tries to invoke the insurrection act. But at that point he would be asking the military to suspend civil law and order in an area. And that’s absolutely something that requires the military to consent to doing.
Not necessarily, the American military operates on chain of command. The worry is the current blocking of military appointments over bullshit. If they can steal long enough trump can install people who will follow his orders. Otherwise you can deny an unlawful order. Trump can only give orders to those ranked immediately below him.
Okay, so hypothetical situation, Trump makes an illegal order to General so-and-so. General refuses to comply. Trump has that General removed and replaced with a sycophant. In this actual case, he’s saying he’ll deploy troops on the ground on American soil, which I don’t believe is an illegal order.
Believe Hayes made it illegal. There a few exclusions though, if I remember correct, an insurrection was one of the exclusions. I imagine Desantis knew this when he stated he would put troops on the other side of the border in Mexico, not realizing that would clearly look/be an invasion of Mexico. Or realizing and being dumb enough to think that was a smart move.
It helped that everyone enlisted immediately agreed, but it escalated up the chain of command very quickly after we asked for a written order until it was agreed that it was a miscommunication and never happened.
To be fair they could order you to do a lot and just hope you do the implied, even verbally said, but unwritten thing. But when I was in we had clear training about what was and wasn’t unlawful to prevent abuse. If we had done it and had no proof we were really 100% officially ordered then it could have been pinned on us. Which is why my first response was, is that an order? Followed with citing the written order that said we could not do that thing and asking for a written order to do the thing. Just following orders works both ways.
For the uninitiated, asking for your verbal orders to be written out or asking for another soldier to be present in the military is a giant red flag. You can’t just say no in most cases. But the sub text is the experienced enlisted soldier knows it’s going to go horribly wrong. It’s generally the last warning an officer gets if they’re doing truly stupid things.
Fact is, like any normal distribution, 2/3 if American voters are uneducated centrists that dont understand how their system of government works or what the meaning of scary political words mean. To them, the world is just fine, but that Biden feller made me sleepy so fuck him.
Most Americans have no idea what is waiting for them on January 21st 2025.
I’m wide awake, my heart is pounding, and my vocal chords are shredded from the screaming. Not all of us are asleep. 1/3rd of the country actually wants this.
Half of us are being dragged, the other half is pulling us. It’s illegal for the ones being dragged to protect themselves from the ones pulling us as we live in a state.
Then there’s the leftist non-voters who seem to think that if you don’t choose Republican or Democrat we default to peaceful communism.
I’d say it’s more like 40% of us are being dragged by 25% of us while 35% watch on, refusing to participate either way despite the fact that they’ll be dragged in next.
The Gen Z voters fucking terrify me. They are turning against even Bernie Sanders, because of the fact that our government supports Israel. Like, they are willing to blow up everything for Palestine. Don’t get me wrong, I for damn sure support the Palestinian people and detest the genocide being perpetrated by Israel, but am I willing to allow my own country to fall to fascism because of their support for Israel? No! I won’t because allowing this country to fall to fascism is only going to let Israel continue their genocide, but under Trump our troops will join the fray and bomb the shit out of Gaza.
Yeah, as much as I make fun of the alt-right and their dumb culture war bullshit, some of the Gen Z on the left end of the spectrum are so willing to cast out all allies just because they detect one iota of dissent from a rapidly moving set of expectations, esp. when it comes to things like trans.
And it’s fracking dangerous. I look at what happened to the discussion forums on Boing Boing as an example of this. The assumption is that anyone not in the upper echelon of the oppression olympics intersectional game has to shut up and just listen to any opinion of someone in a certain set of groups, just because. Meaning, if you are white or male or both and cishet or xtian, then your opinion is worthless, unless you just repeat verbatim what one of the blessed members says. And even then, you might be accused of appropriating their arguments or being a white savior or whatever.
If they think that is any semblance of normal, or the way to fight fascism, build coalitions, or win elections, they are completely deluding themselves. If it was only places like Boing Boing it might be one thing. Unfortunately, that is just a very public example of it…
Oh, and same sentiments on the Gaza thing. What Israel is doing there is beyond belief in horribleness, but checking out or voting against Biden would make it far worse. What people that say “voting for the lesser of two evils is still evil” fail to see is that the alternative is getting even MORE evil than otherwise…
What worries me is that we keep getting reassured that someday, at least one of these 91 charges will stick and it will take care of everything. But I see absolutely zero reason to believe that there will be any consequences whatsoever. The delay tactics have thus far been working and his popularity just grows and grows.
We are wide awake and still letting it happen; and we see it happen in other countries the world over. My only conclusion is that this is what people want.
I disappointingly keep finding out people at work support him and now I just assume no matter how decent someone might appear… they probably deep down are shit. I have to awkwardly avoid conversations about their dumb world views whenever politics come up. It’s concerning the number of every day people that want this shit.
I plan to stick it out. My wife has dual citizenship and we are in the process of getting our kids the same. If it really comes down to it they can flee abroad. If we are at the point where the US is not letting people leave there is no point in prepping for anything.
that doesn’t work though when at least half of the 2nd amendment supporters voted for fascism. What are they going to do, take up arms against the party they voted into power themselves?
I am still curious how it works in their mind. They see troops deployed and they what exactly, random acts of terrorism? Like you look at the places that led successful guerilla campaigns against real militaries and they are all in places where real poverty is rampant. Not talking about you live in a trailer and work at Target. More like you grow opium in some valley in Afghanistan or rice in Vietnam. Remember the Bundy Ranch guys ordering takeout?
I can’t see any gun owner I know just deciding to go live in the woods, willing to survive on what food they can salvage while getting their own kids to plant landmines.
Those in charge in the government are not dumb, they’ve learned over 100+ years how to propagandize those that want guns to not see them as the enemy. It’s not a coincidence that the gun nuts are courted by the right.
Yep! And no, we won’t be fighting tanks and drones. As with all politics, the fight will be local. We’ll be fighting the local Committee for Public Safety, Brown Shirts, etc.
If you think the Brown Shirts won’t magically get armored vehicles and air support then you didn’t pay attention to the part where the Brown Shirts turned into the SS and Gestapo.
I’m still finding it extremely unlikely he’s electable. Not saying we shouldn’t take it seriously, though.
Over the years many conservative anti-vaxxers have died from covid, boomers are dying off, and anyone who wasn’t already a trumper isn’t exactly lining up.
Most economic indicators are trending very well; meanwhile the abortion topic continues to backfire tremendously.
2022 proved polls don’t sufficiently capture millennial and zoomers.
Over the years many conservative anti-vaxxers have died from covid,
I disagree with this assessment affecting voting in any way. Mortality rates are very low outside of very vulnerable and elderly population that totals much less than 2%. Even if you’re left only half way there mentally after a severe infection your vote is still a vote, and the majority republican areas are not affected by this in any way.
Even if 20% of republicans died from a disease in most of the red states voting wouldn’t change much. Between gerrymandering, propaganda news and winner takes all electoral college configuration even if republicans lose the popular vote they will still keep basically all of their electoral college votes.
Most economic indicators are trending very well; meanwhile the abortion topic continues to backfire tremendously. I don’t know a single person who doesn’t feel like we’re in a recession and that the economy is in the toilet. The smart ones understand some of the nuance but the republican party will just blame it all on Biden.
The abortion topic still gets religious votes, and votes for those who want a poverty stricken lower class full of cheap labor workers. They won’t bend on cheap POC immigrant labor, they only want more white labor. I don’t think voting for abortion will beat out voting for what the church says and what all the peer pressure for voting red says. If pro-abortion won votes in red states we would have seen many more democrat and independent wins than we’ve seen in the house and senate. Local legislature seems to not be greatly affected by this either.
The fact that polls put him close to a majority means it’s a major threat. The problem is that the democrat majority unfortunately is clustered in small areas where even if they win a popular vote in a district of a red state are unlikely to win the overall vote for all districts.
Finally, Biden as a candidate is practically worthless. Trump would lose hard to Obama, but he can never be president again. Why anyone worth electing didn’t run for 2020 is beyond me but here we are.
So I think you raise some good points but bear in mind my overarching premise in my comment: Nothing improves conditions that Republicans didn’t already have in prior elections. Now, there is if anything diminishing returns across all vectors which tend to benefit the GOP. That being said:
Regarding COVID, I’m not referring too much these days but of the early post-vaccine era where last I tried to best calculate we saw a ratio of about 4 or 5 conservatives dying for every Democrat. Yes, it doesn’t particularly impact an amount on a state-by-state basis, but the key point is: Did this help Republicans? Absolutely not; it has only hindered them. Does this matter in red states? Of course not. But in purple states and certain districts it could mean the difference of turning red or blue. We of course saw outcomes decided by literally a handful of votes. Considering this elderly Republican population most at risk is also a group that is most likely to turn out to vote for Republicans, then that hinders their most loyal base.
Yeah, right-wing rhetoric is heavily pushing an alternate reality that the economy is going to shit and everything is bad. Yeah it may stick to some people, but the reality is these words are largely hollow. Whether the economy is good or bad, it’s true that there will be people who just find a reason to blame Biden because he’s a Democrat. You can’t stop that but you don’t have to; for they were always going to vote Trump anyway. The key point is that these arguments – permitted people like us raise our voice at dinner-tables and social media – can be quickly dismissed because the data that Republicans normally tout negatively are pretty positive.
Look at what overturning Roe said. Even in an interview with a GOP Strategist I saw on PBS – they said the Republicans had no idea that overturning Roe be this unpopular even amongst part of their own base. FWIW my mother-in-law is a lifelong Republican who even voted for Trump and because of this reversal of Roe and how protective she is of her kids, she is now vehemently anti-Republican. Basically, it took away the choice of her daughters and now she’s pissed. Meanwhile it has been a major rallying cry for Democrats – and 2022 again proved that. Religious voters will likely continue voting Republican, but that’s largely a constant. If anything, they will feel less compelled to vote as they may feel their duty is done and they may get careless.
Don’t get me wrong: I think polls should be some marker for concern and we should always assume the worst and hope for the best. However, and I say this again because literally nobody has remotely countered this point: The polls were deeply wrong for 2020 and especially 2022. One key facet of this was younger generations not sufficiently represented in polling.
I also agree that Biden isn’t that great of a candidate. He’s just – dare I say – the “lesser of two evils.” Both candidates are old and largely useless; the only difference is that Biden isn’t corrupt and his cabinet is full of competent experts. I’ll vote for him, but you’re right that he does not remotely inspire. If Republicans nominated anyone younger, Democrats would guaranteed be fucked.
The problem is that’s only half the battle. What do you do when his legions of supporters decide they don’t like losing and take it out on the rest of the country?
I’m GenX, and I wouldn’t answer a poll if you paid me. I will vote, and I will never vote for a Republican for the rest of my life. If there’s no Dem candidate on the ballot for a specific office, I leave it blank so they can see how many votes they’re not getting when they don’t run a candidate.
I don’t answer polls as a GenX, but I sure as hell vote in every election. I will never vote for a Republican. Polls won’t capture voters like me, and voters like me are not just millennials and zoomers.
My plan for the next year is to answer every opinion poll.
I’m going to tell every pollster who will listen I’m not voting because I won’t vote for republicans, and Democrats haven’t done anything to deserve my vote - because they had 60 years to make abortion access federal law, they have had numerous opportunities to unwind Medicare Part D, and in 2021 they should have made the ACA better, overturned Citizens United, fixed the Voter Rights Act, and worked to improve turnout by mandating federal voting holidays (amongst other things), but they didn’t, and instead their whole modern platform is that they will slow walk the U.S. into corporate and theocratic ownership slower than the Republicans.
And then I’m going to vote anyway, because I’m not a child. But I won’t be telling pollsters that. The Democratic Party needs to fear what their milquetoast policies have wrought.
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