Why the fuck do people let Trump get away with shit that no ordinary person would get away with.
Imagine if we used this same bullshit logic for ordinary people.
"Murderers shouldn't be stopped by police. We should defeat them in polls."
"Car thieves shouldn't be arrested. We should let the American people choose."
Fucking dumb.
And incidentally, we already did that, in 1868 when the 14th amendment was passed. So leaving it up to the polls is ignoring both the law and the will of the people.
Because holding famous, rich important people accountable for their actions would jeopardize the system. It needs that lack of accountability to function.
He’s doing this for the same foolish reason that Hillary did. He’s got one thing going for him that Hillary didn’t. He’s not hated as much or more than Trump.
After taking a swan dive down several flights of metal grate stairs and creatively perforating their small intestine with a rusty pineapple, but yeah, the shop & fall would be the clincher for sure
I don’t see the Supreme Court upholding even Colorado’s ruling. Trump has gained more political steam with this. He has his angle that the “Dems are actively not being democratic”. Not that I agree with any of that message.
There’s no way he’d win in California regardless. Makes no sense to attempt it there.
There's certainly no need to tussle over it in California. Trump wouldn't win in California anyway and it would just feed into the persecution narrative among his fan base.
Eeeeehhhhh, maybe. I think it could well have the opposite effect, that the conservative persecution complex drives people to the polls. Even some never Trumpers aren't comfortable with kicking him off the ballot.
“There is no doubt that Donald Trump is a threat to our liberties and even to our democracy,” Mr Newsom said on 22 December. “But in California, we defeat candidates at the polls. Everything else is a political distraction.”
I’m so sick of this shit. We had a choice of Trump or Biden in 2020 and we decided. Then Trump attempted to overthrow the government. We don’t need to decide again at the polls.
Newsom’s about face on policies this last year as he ramps up his run for presidency is fucking disgusting. Between him and fetterman we’re learning that even ‘the good ones’ will throw their constituents to the wolves when power and money are involved.
If you’ve been paying attention to his decisions and the state of California, like at all, you’d know Newsom was never one of the good ones. He just puts on the face like he is.
California is doing a hell of a lot better than any other state. That’s why it’s always people who don’t live here who want to say shit like this.
No state is perfect. This is the US after all. But major California cities are the best you’re going to get in terms of anything even resembling progressivism. If people who don’t live here or have never been here want to make the choice to believe conservative propaganda about homelessness when it’s a nationwide problem, or about crime when it’s decreased nationwide, then that’s their own problem.
A couple of the decisions I can kinda see his reasoning as stated (such as wanting to wait to make psychadelics legal after regulations are passed) but that doesn’t change the fact that the optics are fucking horrible. And then pile decisions like this on that are just straight up the same shity pushover reasoning that allowed Trump to get to the point of trying to overthrow the government in the first place, and it starts to feel like Newsom started falling down the same alt-right rabit hole that your former-leftie college roomate did when he first started using weird logical leaps to justify dumb stances to his leftie friends before going full “enlightened tech-bro”. Can we get more politicans to grow some fucking balls please.
part of the problem here is that the constitution doesn’t actually recommend removing people from ballots. we’re in uncharted waters here. Though I agree, remove trump from the ballot.
the feds won’t do it because the feds don’t run elections. Every state decides whose on the ballot. It’s literally not the fed’s job to do it, and never was
Interesting thought. So in any state that includes Trump on the ballot, a party should put forward a 30-year-old (legal) recent immigrant as a presidential candidate. Either they would need to put the candidate on the ballot whether they are ineligible or not, or remove Trump (or be shown for their double standard).
For the primary ballot? Certainly not. It’s not their purview. And in any case they’ve only got a few days to make that determination- many states are rapidly closing in on when the ballots need to be finalized so they can be printed and distributed.
Most likely, SCROTUS is waiting until after the regular election to see if such a ruling is even necessary.
Had the Dems done an actual impeachment of Trump, called witnesses and the like, and got a conviction this question would already be answered around the nation. But the half assed it and now we’re here.
The point is there’s mk qualification of what is “insurrection”, etc, no process for fact finding or determining the legitimacy of the accusations and really no way to keep people from voting for the orange turnip anyhow.
We all “know” he incited an insurrection. We all know he’s ineligible. But this is an inconceivable and utterly novel legal territory here, people are going to have wonky takes.
Colorado came to a ruling after investigation; the courts heard the case and had a finding of fact.
that’s the process at work. I haven’t a clue what game Newsom is playing at. but honestly, I couldn’t be arsed after what he wants. It doesn’t really concern him all that much, really.
I would argue that the constitution not only recommends Trump be removed from the ballot. It almost requires it.
The constitution explicitly states that people like Trump who participated in an insurrection are ineligible for office. This is similar to other requirements for the office. For example, you must be a natural citizen over 35 years old, etc.
Constitutionally, each state chooses how to run their own elections. However, that freedom does not give them the power to go against the other parts of the constitution.
Traditionally, states will not put people on presidential ballots who do not meet the requirements to be president.
But do they have to do that? I would argue that the case with Trump proves that, going forward, they do have to exclude ineligible candidates for president. Because Trump is the first ineligible candidate who is leading in polls.
Every state election he might win is a constitutional crisis. Each state has the duty to follow the Constitution and ensure that Trump doesn’t win the presidency. The current method for doing this action is removing him from the ballot.
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